Genealogy Chat

http://www.cwgc.org/

hello Denis & Shelly,
Thanks so much :-)
What does CWGC stands for and where do I look up on the website for it ?
GALA

thought i'd just mention that i was also told by my mother via her mother, that my grandmother's brother was missing in anction during ww1, however, i was still able to find his memorial on CWGC

shelly

Just to clarify the position re "Unknown Soldier". His body may never have been recovered due to the horrific conditions at the front. Or perhaps his body was recovered but not identified and so buried in a CWGC grave marked "Unknown Soldier" etc. However, the CWGC is required to commemorate all the dead by name and so if he was never identified then his name will appear on one of the memorials to the missing in France or Belgium and also be listed on the CWGC website.

Hi Janet,
The info you found is wrong somwhere as Maria was only 39 yrs old and Susannah was 51 ??? , I have about 5 informations on them all except James's death
James was the 1st child and then there was Joseph , Harry and Sarah, , Harry & Sarah were born on the I of M , Henry left them all for another female , I cannot find him on any other trees as if he did marry again or not.
I was only told what my gran wanted me to know when i asked, there are alot of skeletons in the closet by her & my mother , the only way I have to find out is to look up on the ancestors trees.
GALA

You should note that Sarah and Harry were born Isle of Man and Maria is down as married not widowed so Henry must be about somewhere!

Here he is on the 1901.
He has been mistranscribed as the son of James and Susannah Haworth and his mother is down as James Haworths mother in Law which I guess must be wrong.

James Ramsbottom
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Blackburn St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:
View Image

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn, Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
James Haworth 52
Kate Haworth 3
Susannah Haworth 51
Harry Ramsbottom 8
James Ramsbottom 11
Joseph Ramsbottom 10
Maria Ramsbottom 39
Sarah Ramsbottom 5

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3906; Folio: 150; Page: 11

I think you should examine the info your Gran gave you. If he was born in 1889 he would have been 23 in 1912/13 so he didn't die age 23.
Was he your grandmothers brother? Did he have any other siblings who were born before 1901? They could help us track the family on the 1901 census.
I assume that if as your gran asserted he was an unknown casualty his body wasn't found so he would have been declared missing in action and later dead.

?? bodies are still being found to this day from the WW1 ??

You could try contacting the Red Cross, which keeps the files of soldiers missing in action.

The Australian ones are online, but the British ones aren't.

GALA

Bodies of 1st World War soldiers are still being found. The tags could have been destroyed in an explosion and his death reported by fellow soldiers.

Census age are just an approximate as they didn't ask the dob just the age.

Roy

Well Roy ,
It seems James will remain a mystery .
GALA

On the census , James is born 1890 and I found on the freebmd .. he was born dec 1889 , his bro Joe was born sept 1890

That is the right one you have just posted

Yes I have , even my mother told my 2 sons the same story .
Didn't they wear a name tag in the WW1 ? and how come he died an unknown soldier ?
Gala

Do you have them on the 1901 census, I cannot find a James born Blackburn 1889+/- 2years with parents Henry & Maria on the 1901 census

1891
Name: James Ramsbottom
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 10 addington street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn Southern
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ramsbottom 27
James Ramsbottom 1
Joseph Ramsbottom 4/12
Maria Ramsbottom 26
William Watson 39



Roy

Have you checked and verified the info your grandmother gave you?

sometimes peoples get things a little mixed up as the years pass

Roy

Hi Roy ,
James was born in Blackburn Lancs , his parents were Henry & Maria Ramsbottom nee Leek .
My grandmother did tell me he was 23 when he was killed in France as an unknown soldier and I would never find his grave .

think this is him

Name: RAMSBOTTOM
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Shropshire Light Infantry
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 03/10/1915
Service No: 11575
Additional information: Son of Charles and Ellen Ramsbottom, of Blackburn, Lancs.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. B. 4.
Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY

from http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14

use this link for a picture of the cemetery

http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=505069


Roy