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Hello,

I am trying to find the reference for my great grandfather's birth. Albert Johnson was born in Widnes or Liverpool - he married Annie Birtles in January 1911. His parents were Charles Johnson b St Helens and Matilda Hill b St Helens and had siblings called Mary, Thomas, Sarah, Matilda, Charles and Gladys.

Regards

Rachel

But what year was he born? I assume you have him on a census somewhere to have all those siblings? Or what age did he give on that marriage certificate?

Is this them in 1901?

Name: Matilda Johnson
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: North Shore St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 237
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Johnson 13
Charles Johnson 48
Charles Johnson 15
Gladys J Johnson 6
Matilda Johnson 45
Arthur Ravenscroft 1
John Ravenscroft 26
Sarah Ravenscroft 20


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Possible for Liverpool?

Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Johnston Albert Liverpool 8b 25

Hello!

I found him on the 1901 census living at 90 Rockingham St, Kirkdale, W Derby. I think that going from his age on the 1901 census he would have been born in 1889.

Thanks again!

Rachel

There is this one as well.

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
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JOHNSTON Albert Edward W Derby 8b 493

Hello Heather & Keith,

Yes, you have found the family on the 1901 census. However, the surname is Johnson and not Johnston, so am unsure if you have found the right birth.

Regards

Rachel

You can go to freebmd and look on there for the birth reference and then buy the cert for £7 from GRO online. Unfortunately with a common name like that you will probably find several likely ones and it will be a case of guesswork over which is the correct one - and then give the GRO pointers of his parents names to ensure you get the right one sent to you.

Do you have a second name for him in order to whittle it down? Id have thought if he were born in Kirkdale youd be looking for a west derby registration rather than Liverpool.

1901 actually says born 1888, Widnes. Widnes comes under Prescot registration district.

Which makes it even more difficult! Apparently Widnes was part of Prescot reg district so maybe:

Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Johnson Albert Prescot 8b 663

Id go for this baby with pointers that dad is Charles and mum is Matilda - youll only lose £3 then if its the wrong one.

Heather I saw that one, but possibly too late.
But as Heather said, if you order it from the GRO and stipulate reference check for parents names, if wrong one they will not send and refund part cost.

I think its probably ok. Its the only likely Prescot one. It may have been better if the marriage cert had given his age and we could gauge from that the likelihood.
Of course, theres always the possibility someone has put the wrong place of birth on there .......:(


IF you were getting the cert to check mums maiden name Id say go for one of the other kids with the rarer name - i.e. Matilda or Gladys but you appear to know her name already. What worries me slightly is that big gap between the kids on there, that is, Albert and then Gladys. If it were mine, Id start wondering if Matilda was the second wife? But may be you know more about the family and some of the kids in between are missing?

No, were ok

1881
Name: Matilda Johnson
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Widnes
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 5 Pepper St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Johnson 25
Mary Ellen Johnson 4
Matilda Johnson 25
Sarah Johnson
Thomas Henry Johnson 6


1891 ALBERT shown born 1889 on this one. Prescot district
Name: Matilda Johnson
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Widnes
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Widnes
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Johnson 2
Charles Johnson 36
Charles Johnson 5
Mary E Johnson 14
Matilda Johnson 35
Matilda Johnson 7
Sarah Johnson 10
Thomas H Johnson 17

Heather,

Thank you for your reply. I have had another look on my family tree and there was another son born after Albert/around the same time called Charles. There are a few big gaps of more than 4 years, but Matilda may have had children who died young.

I have not been able to find details of Charles birth - only that he has the approximate same year of birth as Albert.

Regards

Rachel

Hello Heather & Keith,

Just like to say thank you very much for all your help - it is very much appreciated.

Regards

Rachel