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flip, thanks for that info on the niece, this guy is turning into a real character.

Looks like John may have been following in his brothers footsteps into the music business - think this is his family in 1871:

John Dunn (John F Dunn on original)
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1867
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Address Carr Lane
District Hull, Myton
Parish Holy Trinity
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place Yorkshire
Birth County Yorkshire

Robt P Dunn 41 cordwainer born Lincoln Barton
Roseannah 38 born Hull
Henry 16 musicial Hull
Kate 6 scholar Hull

thanks choccy for 1891 census showing eliza dunn, I am wondering as he was a travelling musician if he was away at that point and she was staying with her parents.

as you say there were two children born to him after that so they either split up and got back together or he was leading a rock stars life! on the road

maybe she did think she was a widow, maybe when he disappeared she just thought he died.

I will order eliza dunns marriage to william gee and see what it says,

oh no if she didnt divorce him properly, then eliza annie dunn wasnt really married to william gee.

if thats the case does that mean the children should be called dunn (sorry having a blonde moment here)

Wonder if Eliza believed herself to be a widow when she re-married, did you ever get the certificate? Just a bit strange that she should be so honest about her names if she thought she was still married.

hadn't got round to researching Henrietta !!

Think I would doubt the "neice" with him on 1901 as well. Looks like Henrietta was reg Sculcoates Q2/1879, and was with parents George & Alice Millson and older sisters on the 1881 census.

This could be their marriage:

Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
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INGLEBY Alice Halifax 9a 846
Millson George Halifax 9a 846
Mitchell Phineas Halifax 9a 846
Pinder Mary Halifax 9a 846

So doesn't look like she is the daughter of his brother or sister!

perhaps Eliza, his real wife, thought he was away being a musician in 1891 and in fact he was with 'Annie' calling her his wife on the census.

they obviously got back together if Mabel and Vernon were born between the 1891 and 1901 censuses

I haven't found John F Dunn on any other census in 1891 apart from with 'Annie' born in Scotland



In 1891 John Dunn's 'wife' was at home with her parents -


1891

RAILTON, William Head Married M 58 1833
Middleton
Yorkshire VIEW
RAILTON, Hannah Wife Married F 56 1835
Middleton
Yorkshire VIEW
RAILTON, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 24 1867
Middleton
Yorkshire VIEW
>>>>DUNN, Elizabeth Anne Daughter Married F 20 1871 Professor Of Music
Middleton
Yorkshire VIEW
RAILTON, Walter Son M 13 1878
Middleton
Yorkshire VIEW
>>>>>DUNN, Eliza Granddaughter F 1 1890
Middleton
Yorkshire VIEW (this probably Elsie May, mis-transcribed ?)
WILES, Clive Boarder M 1 1890
Driffield
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3956 Folio:
18 Page:
12

Registration District:
Driffield Sub District:
Bainton Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Middleton

Civil Parish:
Middleton Municipal Borough:
Address:
South Street, Middleton, Bracken County:
Yorkshire (East Riding)

thanks to you all, I think it means that the first marriage to eliza annie railton was legal and the second was illegal. So Im still a gee.

fascinating stuff, make you wonder how this can be kept so quiet in a family for so long!!

yes choccy my father in laws grandma was eliza annie railton she married John F Dunn...oh no that means he is on the 1891 census twice living with two women is that what you mean??

could he have served a prison sentence for this? he had a daughter and son born with eliza annie after 1891 one I think in 1895 and 1893, was he leading a double life?

I assumed that was 'Eliza Annie' with John in the 1891 census !

oh my word that is him, he married again, bet he wasnt divorced bet grandma wasnt either.

wonder where elsie may went then, and why she never contacted her brother sister and mum, its a sad tale, many many thanks to you all

Divorce extremely difficult, and unlikely.
Just move on and keep quiet about previous existence.

Added:
divorce rates rose to about 369 in 1890, and 560 in 1900

is this him - ?


Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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Dunn John Frederick Driffield 9d 453
Railton Eliza Annie Driffield 9d 453




1891

DUNN, John F Head Married M 25 1866 Artist Music
Kingston upon Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, Annie Wife Married F 23 1868
Turriff
Aberdeenshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2606 Folio:
99 Page:
4

Registration District:
Louth Sub District:
Withern Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Trusthorpe

Civil Parish:
Trusthorpe Municipal Borough:
Address:
Alpha Villa, Belle Vue, Trusthorpe County:
Lincolnshire

I forgot to say thankyou.

thankyou choccy

oh my word, what is this man doing, revelations, was divorce common then,shouldnt it say divorced not single??

born in Hull on 1911 census (which has been crossed through, although signed by him - states he is single, with 1 child born) - can't read the rest


1901

DUNN, John F Head Single M 35 1866 Music Teacher
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
MILLSON, Henrietta Niece Single F 20 1881
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4412 Folio:
98 Page:
7

Registration District:
Doncaster Sub District:
Doncaster Enumeration District:
17 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christ Church

Civil Parish:
Doncaster Municipal Borough:
Address:
101, Cooper Street, Doncaster County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

John Frederick Dunn was her father, her mum was eliza annie Dunn.

she remarried in 1899 it could be bigamous I dont know, I hope not, othewise I have the wrong surname.

I think John left eliza.