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So where is longford then?right in the middle of ireland next to athlone..well by about 30 miles anyway.and IRISH stuck back when.still trying to find the daddy but think im on the right trail for him even if this is the totally wrong family.

ha, so you're abandoning the "jennings was prob the aunts married name" theory??

I click, hoping for news -- nice hard facts -- and you're still theorizing and hypothesizing. ;)

Those people aren't even Irish!!

1881 census lancashire.

catherine [widow] 54 b longford ...annuitant

elizabeth daugther 19 b england...bag warehouse [docks]

catherine daughter 16 england ....printing works.

james son 21 england....i forgot to note..

47 hornby st liverpool
surname..Jennings..on family search.

??????????

So, this looks like an Irish Catherine possibly marrying a Jennings:


Marriages Sep 1883
CONNOR Catherine Liverpool 8b 293
DOOLEY William Liverpool 8b 293
JENNINGS Thomas Liverpool 8b 293
SUTTON Mary Ann Liverpool 8b 293


This could be them in 1891:


Name: Catherine Jennings
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


She'd 'a been a bit old in WWII.


A Thomas Roberts may have married an Elizabeth Connor:


Marriages Sep 1898
Connor Elizabeth Islington 1b 863
Flanagan Thomas Anthony Islington 1b 863
ROBERTS Thomas Islington 1b 863
Saffrine Louise Dennie Islington 1b 863


but it may be more likely that Connor married Flanagan there. ;)


... Well, looks like Flanagan married Saffrine:


Name: Thomas Flanagan
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louise
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, London, England
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England


and the only Thomas Roberts - Elizabeth couple I see in Islington already has a load o' kids:


Name: Thomas W Roberts
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcester
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Emmanuel
County/Island: London
Country: England


After all this, I'm a little obsessed with figgering it out before the birth cert arrives. ;)

See thomas roberts keeps coming up!!

Cert is ordered eta 6th jan

Nope. Looks like Elizabeth Rycroft Jennings was 44 in the 1891 census.

No no no
irish auntie

catherine jennings was eers mothers sister ,..
jennings was prob the the aunts married name...

viv

But are you not going to order the @$(*&@%^ birth certificate for EER?

I'm seriously not going to play much more unless you do.

Had Elizabeth been married before??


Marriages Jun 1898
Bromsgrove John Toxteth Park 8b 400
Jones Mary Elizabeth Toxteth Park 8b 400
* Roberts Thomas Toxteth Park 8b 400
* Rycroft Elizabeth Toxteth Park 8b 400


Marriages Dec 1880
Clark Ann Hunslet 9b 423
* JENNINGS Thomas Hunslet 9b 423
LAMBERT Thomas Hunslet 9b 423
* Rycroft Jane Elizabeth Hunslet 9b 423


One theory ...

Well that's ... heh heh ... a bombshell.

EER's mother was Elizabeth Jennings, you say?


Any chance she went by Mary?


Marriages Dec 1897
Cornett Sarah Jane Liverpool 8b 60
Galvin William Liverpool 8b 60
Jennings Mary Liverpool 8b 60
Roberts Thomas Liverpool 8b 60


Or they were in Tamworth district for some reason?


Marriages Dec 1880
JENNINGS Elizabeth Tamworth 6b 613
ROBERTS Thomas Tamworth 6b 613


Or - of course - they weren't married?

irish auntie katie is ..catherine jennings.. in ww2 .when vi bombs are dropping on london [soho where she lived then and she worshipped at farm st church so must have died after war?]

she is eers mothers sister

only given the name today

her maiden name gives us eers mum ...come on folks make my christmas day i have searched since 10 am this morn . got no where.viv....still parky here..

Could I have something here? (Finally??? !!)


1891:


Name: Thomas H Roberts
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Llansaintffraid
Town: Llansantffraid Glyn Conway
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Joiner <<<

Registration district: Conway <<<
Sub-registration district: Creuddyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 2


Ancestry seems to have invented a bunch of people and added them to the household -- the household actually consists only of:

Evan Roberts
-- widower -- 85, born Caernarvon
his daughter Mary Roberts
-- single -- 27, born Denbighshire, "at home with her father"
his son-in-law Thomas H Roberts
-- married -- 37, born Liverpool


which doesn't make a lot of sense. But the name, DOB, occupation and father's name match the 1871 Thomas H.

(I see what Ancestry has done -- its usual trick of ignoring people's plainly written surnames, because it failed to read what appears to be Welsh for "head" in the next household, so has created a bunch of Roberts-s who are really named Hughes. And then included a Jones "wife" whose husband wasn't present that night and ignored her name too ... lordy ...)

Me thinks back to the drawing board when postie has delivered the info needed but i do think thomas h may have taken to the sea [again] as after eers mother died he disappeared after depositing eer with his sister and never saw her again!back when i get the all important paper.

on this one anyway.!!!

ta muchley. vivienne ps.. i love sarcasm it shapens the wits.

Feralcat:

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=982749

about the 7th post.

S/he who speaks from ignorance makes fool of self. Now really, dear, if you want to continue this, I'm sure it would fit well on the chat board.

Or you could just read:

http://genesreunited.co.uk/genesreunited.asp?wci=grstatic&type=guidelines

Catherine in that 1881 household wasn't the mother of that Thomas Henry Roberts:


Name: Thomas Henry Roberts
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William George
Mother's Name: Henrietta
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Barking
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Barking Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 5

Samuel Cock 18
Alice Charlotte Roberts 7
Arthur George Roberts 9
Henrietta Roberts 42
John James Roberts 17
Thomas Henry Roberts 13
William George Roberts 51
William Timothy Roberts 20


And every single other one of those Roberts-s was born in Kent.


The household in 1871 in Gravesend:


Amelia M Roberts 9
Emma A Roberts 18
Henrietta Roberts 33
Henrietta E Roberts 12
John Jas Roberts 7
Susette E Roberts 4
Thos H Roberts 3
William G Roberts 41
William T Roberts 10


and even the 4-yr-old was born in Kent.


Thomas Henry Roberts 1857 Oct-Nov-Dec West Derby Lancashire
Thomas Henry Roberts 1858 Apr-May-Jun West Derby Lancashire

;-)

And how perhaps I eat my virtual certainty; in 1881:


Name: Thomas H. Roberts
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William G.
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Ship Joiner <<<<

Name: William G. Roberts
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheerness, Kent, England
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Ship Joiner & Modeler (Bidr)

Street address: 3 Cambridge Ter
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

William T. Jolly 48
Catherine Roberts 58
Thomas H. Roberts 23
William G. Roberts 60


Funny thing that there were two Thomas H Roberts-s born in Liverpool in the 1850s who were both ship's carpenters ... if there were ... ;)

Well hello there, feralcat.

You might want to learn to read for comprehension a little better.

"Nice to see you've risen above the sarcasm and vitriol displayed in this thread."

What's been "displayed" in this thread is frustration -- on the part of someone doing her damnedest to help out the person with the puzzle. You were talking about me, right?

If you want to comment on a participant in a discussion rather than contribute to the discussion, maybe you could start your own thread.

Hi Viv,

That's as plain as day! ;-)

Nice to see you've risen above the sarcasm and vitriol displayed in this thread.

Let's know how you get on with the Certificates when you receive them.

Cheers, feralcat