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Jeanette, Thanks SOOO much babe ! Lady Liberty, Your a treasure. To All, As long as we can keep on top of this info we should be able to refer to it. I THINK I have convinced Richard to NOT delete the other thread. He has asked me for a marriage c 1920.if anyone can help ? John or Joseph Johnson to Elizabeth Brookes or Brooks West Bromwich maybe circa 1920 If anyone has access to the free indexes upto 1920, it would be great if they can be checked. If nothing is found, I'll check 1837online 1920 onwards. Elaine :-)

Jess, Have you seen the FT that Tracy has compiled ? She has been working behind the scenes ! I think we are a bit late ! Elaine :-)

found it not going mad 1861 taylor Enoch Holmes abt 1857 Shrewsbury Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Jane Holmes abt 1854 Shrewsbury Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire John Holmes abt 1855 Shrewsbury Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Mary Holmes abt 1819 Dawley, Shropshire, England Wife Wednesbury Staffordshire Mary Holmes abt 1860 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire William Holmes abt 1819 Shrewsbury Head Wednesbury Staffordshire Albert Morgan abt 1840 Dawley, Shropshire, England Stepson Wednesbury Staffordshire Rupett Street Jeanette

You guys are brilliant - i keep asking what i can do - WHAT can i do to help? jess x

here is Emily's Marriage name missed spelt Marriages Mar 1897 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Berry William W. Bromwich 6b 943 Pitt Emiley W. Bromwich 6b 943 Jeanette

The following are the results of a look-up request from Richard, posted on the 21/08/05 when he first appeared on the boards. I dont know where/how this fits into the picture, he requested the info via Records board and through PM. I have copy and pasted info from my sent messages, but cannot find the one he originally sent me. ************************* Richard Same family in 1881: William is a Iron worker! 1881 England Census records matching your search for All Records > Census > 1881 England Census Match Quality Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image George Mitchell abt 1871 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son (Not Numberd) Ocker Hill Road, Tipton, Staffordshire, England John Mitchell abt 1878 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son (Not Numberd) Ocker Hill Road, Tipton, Staffordshire, England Mercy Mitchell abt 1852 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Wife (Not Numberd) Ocker Hill Road, Tipton, Staffordshire, England Sarah E. Mitchell abt 1876 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Daughter (Not Numberd) Ocker Hill Road, Tipton, Staffordshire, England William Mitchell abt 1851 Eckington, Worcestershire, England Head (Not Numberd) Ocker Hill Road, Tipton, Staffordshire, England William Mitchell abt 1876 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son (Not Numberd) Ocker Hill Road, Tipton, Staffordshire, England RG11/2866 Registration district: Dudley Sub-registration district: Tipton ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Folio: 72 Page: 28 Lib ************************************ Richard Dont know if you have this, could be George in 1891. The only George listed for Tipton, where he states he was born on the 1901. Please make sure you check info out via cert's! Address, 61 Church hill Street! Head of house is a steel worker! Mitchell, George abt 1872 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Mitchell, John abt 1878 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Mitchell, Mercy abt 1851 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Wife Wednesbury Staffordshire Mitchell, S Ellen abt 1874 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire Mitchell, William abt 1848 Eckington, Worcestershire, England Head Wednesbury Staffordshire Mitchell, William abt 1876 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire RG12/2275 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub registration district: Wednesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 65 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6097385 Lib ************************************ To follow on thought Id find the family in 1901 too: Mercy is now a widow: Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record William Holmes abt 1846 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Boarder Wednesbury Staffordshire View Record Eveyln Mitchell abt 1894 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Niece Wednesbury Staffordshire View Record Jack Mitchell abt 1878 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire >>>View Record Mercy Mitchell abt 1852 Darlaston, Staffordshire, England Head Wednesbury Staffordshire View Record Joseph Tranter abt 1878 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Nephew Wednesbury Staffordshire RG13/2727 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Wednesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 117 Page: 44 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 243 ****************************** If Im remembering correctly It was the following George that Richard was interested in, he wanted to find George's parents and siblings prior to 1901..... in Richards words, 'take the family back as far as possible' lol View Record Elenor Mitchell abt 1900 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire >>>>>View Record George Hy Mitchell abt 1872 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Head Wednesbury Staffordshire View Record Lucy Mitchell abt 1869 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Wife Wednesbury Staffordshire View Record Lucy Elizabeth Mitchell abt 1894 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire View Record May Mitchell abt 1898 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire View Record Percy Mitchell abt 1896 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire RG13/2726 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Wednesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 25 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 17 **************************** George and Lucy's marriage ref: Marriages Sep 1892 >>>>>Madeley Lucy W.Bromwich 6b 1129 >>>>>Mitchell George Henry W. Bromwich 6b 1129 Turley James West Bromwich 6b 1129 Zealley Rachel West Bromwich 6b 1129

Can't remember what family had the older step brother ?????Morgan all i remember he born 1840's I think I thought he was in the Holmes's :0$ Jeanette

opps Thought I better show you what he asked for Can anyone please find Hannah Marie Corbett born Wednesbury. She married John Holmes and they had a son Joseph in 1894. Please find Hannah Marie. It will really help. cheers Richard jeanette

right found it 1901 43 Alma Street Hannah a widow looks like the only one working is James a brass finisher Enoch Holmes abt 1890 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Hannah M Holmes abt 1866 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Head Wednesbury Staffordshire James W Holmes abt 1887 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Joseph Holmes abt 1896 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire David A Jones abt 1874 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Boarder Wednesbury Staffordshire Mary Stephenson abt 1837 Darlaston, Staffordshire, England Boarder Wednesbury Staffordshire i will now try to find a nouther census Jeanette -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added By Jeanette Arber on 07/09/2005 21:14:31 | Update Message | Delete Message 1891 24 Lonsdale street can't read job for head Holmes, Enoch abt 1890 Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Holmes, Hannah M abt 1865 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Wife Wednesbury Staffordshire Holmes, John abt 1859 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head Wednesbury Staffordshire Holmes, William J abt 1887 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added By Jeanette Arber on 07/09/2005 21:19:08 | Update Message | Delete Message 1881 New Street private head a sock smith employs 3 people Charles Corbett abt 1822 Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Head New St, Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Elizabeth Corbett abt 1866 Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Daughter New St, Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England John Corbett abt 1855 Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Son New St, Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Mary Corbett abt 1825 Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Wife New St, Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Mary Ann Corbett abt 1864 Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Daughter New St, Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Prudence Corbett abt 1856 Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Daughter New St, Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England Jeanette -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added By Jeanette Arber on 07/09/2005 21:27:53 | Update Message | Delete Message 1871 head a shoe maker Ebenezer Corbett abt 1842 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Head Wednesbury Staffordshire Ebenezer Corbett abt 1865 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Hannah Maria Corbett abt 1863 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire Lydia Corbett abt 1871 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire Maria Corbett abt 1844 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Wife Wednesbury Staffordshire Phoebe Ann Corbett abt 1861 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added By Jeanette Arber on 07/09/2005 21:39:30 | Update Message | Delete Message 1881 head taylor Enoch Holmes abt 1857 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son 36 Camp Hill Lane, Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England John Holmes abt 1855 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son 36 Camp Hill Lane, Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Mary Holmes abt 1819 Dawley Bank, Shropshire, England Wife 36 Camp Hill Lane, Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England William Holmes abt 1819 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head 36 Camp Hill Lane, Wednesbury, Staffordshire, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added By Jeanette Arber on 07/09/2005 21:47:24 | Update Message | Delete Message 1871 head a tailor just realised birth year slightly out but can't see anyother Enoch Holmes abt 1857 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son St John Staffordshire Jane Holmes abt 1853 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Daughter St John Staffordshire John Holmes abt 1855 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son St John Staffordshire Mary Holmes abt 1819 Dawley Bank, Shropshire, England Wife St John Staffordshire William Holmes abt 1819 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head St John Staffordshire William Holmes abt 1849 Dawley Bank, Shropshire, England Son St John 36 Camphill lane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added By Jeanette Arber on 07/09/2005 21:56:24 | Update Message | Delete Message 1861 taylor Enoch Holmes abt 1857 Shrewsbury Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Jane Holmes abt 1854 Shrewsbury Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire John Holmes abt 1855 Shrewsbury Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Mary Holmes abt 1819 Dawley, Shropshire, England Wife Wednesbury Staffordshire Mary Holmes abt 1860 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire William Holmes abt 1819 Shrewsbury Head Wednesbury Staffordshire Albert Morgan abt 1840 Dawley, Shropshire, England Stepson Wednesbury Staffordshire Rupett Street -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added By Jeanette Arber on 07/09/2005 23:38:49 | Update Message | Delete Message john's parents wedding Marriages Jun 1850 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ++Broxton Mary Shrewsbury 18 296 Clothier Robert Shrewsbury 18 296 Critoph Charlotte Barnard Shrewsbury 18 296 Freebairn Elizabeth Shrewsbury 18 296 ++HOLMES William Shrewsbury 18 296 Pugh John Shrewsbury 18 296 Skipper John Shrewsbury 18 296 Wall Martha Shrewsbury 18 296

Lookup please Can anyone please find George Brookes born in the Wednesbury in the 1890s. Regards Richard ----------- Added by Alter Ego on 20/09/2005 22:00:17 46 Brickhouse Lane-do you want the image?1901 census Added by Pat Melia on 20/09/2005 22:01:09 There's this one, Brookes, George Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1897 District: Dudley County: Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 15 (click to see others on page) and these, Name: Brookes, Francis George S Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1896 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 753 (click to see others on page) Brookes, George Ernest Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1896 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 826 (click to see others on page) Pat Added by Jeanette Arber on 20/09/2005 22:01:12 its on your Pitt Familythread i have just bumped it up again I rembered the step sons. its best to Print off what you get for future reference. Jeanette Added by Richard Johnson on 20/09/2005 22:02:04 Thanks, I would prefer Just the writing. I cannot read images Added by Kathleen Bell on 20/09/2005 22:04:43 Wednesbury comes under the West Bromwich district. I found these three births in that district on ancestry during the 1890's:- Name: Brookes, George Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1899 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 913 Name: Brookes, George Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1891 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 861 Name: Brookes, George Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1891 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 773 It could be any one of these. Kath. x Added by Alter Ego on 20/09/2005 22:10:51 George 39 head ironworks night manager Louisa 39 wife isaac 11 john 10 george 5 louisa 6 wolverhampton henry morgan 4 stepson walsall william morgan 1 1/2 stepson all others born west brom 46 Brickhouse lane west brom-1901 census ------------- Added by Jeanette Arber on 20/09/2005 22:15:17 here its i will put it here its Morgan step brothers 1901 George brookes with more Morgans George Brookes abt 1862 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Head West Bromwich Staffordshire George Brookes abt 1896 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire Isaac Brookes abt 1890 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire John Brookes abt 1891 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire Louisa Brookes abt 1895 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Lousia Brookes abt 1862 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire Henry Morgan abt 1897 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Stepson West Bromwich Staffordshire William Morgan abt 1900 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Stepson West Bromwich Staffordshire Buckmore Lane Head night manager William is 8 half months i think the morgans are some thing to do with the step brother who is with your Holmes Jeanette ========= Added by Richard Johnson on 20/09/2005 22:16:01 Please give me the census information for all George Brookes born in West Bromwich or Wednesbury and I might be able to decide which one it is. Regards Richard Added by Alter Ego on 20/09/2005 22:20:31 Its Brickhouse lane-there is only one .His birth is 6b 753-the others are far too early or too late. --------- Added by Alter Ego on 20/09/2005 22:32:25 There is only one george Brookes actually living in Wednesbury in 1901 but he was born in moxley abt 1884. There is a ruddy big ammendment splashed over the entries -it needs to be seen-but basically is the word Pudd in very big letters.he is a grandson to a thomas and elizabeth howells.

Hi looks like most of the info I will try to find the Holmes thread. Jeanette

Gold star for DD. well done that woman, you're doing a grand job. Jess x anything specific you want me to trace at the moment?

Added by Richard Johnson on 21/09/2005 11:30:36 I would like to purchase a copy of this marriage certificate. George Brookes Ethel Berry 1919 Wednesbury st Bartholomews. ------------ Added by Kathleen Bell on 21/09/2005 11:39:43 You can order the certificate from the GRO. This is the reference they need:- June qtr. 1919, West Bromwich, 6b, 2004. Once you have the certificate you will have both father's names and you will be able to look for them in the 1901 census. The couple themselves may also be old enough to be on the 1901 census, which might give a better idea of where they were born. Kath. x

Hi I am Richard Johnson aged 17 my Grandad was Henry Arthur Jones born Ladbury Lane Wednesbury 1924 and his father was Horace Jones born West Bromwich 1902. Now I understand WHERE the Jones's come into the equation !

Original Added by Richard Johnson on 08/09/2005 14:55:43 Pitt Family Wednesbury Can anyone please find Elizabeth Pitt born abt 1834. I think it was Wednesbury. Can anyone find her with her parents on the census. Regards Richard --------------------- Added by Jess Bow Bag Bobbin Dog on 08/09/2005 14:59:05 when did she marry please did she have siblings that might have been at home in 1861? jess Pitt children, still at home in 1861 - maybe siblings i suppose Harriott Pitt abt 1859 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire James Pitt abt 1837 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Son Wednesbury Staffordshire Rosanna Pitt abt 1850 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire Sarah Pitt abt 1835 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wednesbury Staffordshire Susannah Pitt abt 1819 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Head Wednesbury Staffordshire ----------------- Added by Fiona Colgan on 08/09/2005 15:08:06 Jess, Looking at his other thread Pitt is her married name. Richard, for us to find her with her parents we would need her name before she married. ---------------- Added by Tracy in Teesside on 08/09/2005 15:38:22 One odd thing... Frederick Madeley married Sarah Ann Pitt, Emilys sister. Lucy Madeley, Fredericks sister, married George Mitchell. They are the Grandparents of Margaret Holmes! ---------------- Added by Jeanette Arber on 08/09/2005 16:18:08 1901 George brookes with more Morgans George Brookes abt 1862 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Head West Bromwich Staffordshire George Brookes abt 1896 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire Isaac Brookes abt 1890 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire John Brookes abt 1891 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire Louisa Brookes abt 1895 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Lousia Brookes abt 1862 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire Henry Morgan abt 1897 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Stepson West Bromwich St I've deleted info that we already have ...

West Midlands BMD site - given to me by Heather who is helping out so much :http://www.bmsgh.org/cgi/birthind.cgi Name: Emily Pitt Sub District: Wednesbury Year: 1873 Reference Number: WED/57/364 Richard wanted the Ref Number for the Registry Office ????? so I went and had a look on West Mids BMD and found this Ref No ... may or may not be what he's asking for !

Just incase: (Heather's info) Could have been born c1838 ELIZABETH DUDLEY Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 15 MAR 1840 Saint Bartholomew, Wednesbury, Stafford, England Parents: Father: JOSEPH DUDLEY Family Mother: BETSY Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. Possibility !!! ------------------------------------- 1841 Wednesbury: Joseph Dudley 40 Gas Fitter Elizabeth 40 James 18 Gas Fitter Mary 15 Ann 13 Maria 9 Joseph 6 Thomas 4 Elizabeth 1 <<<<<<< Future wife of John Pitt ...??? Address: High Buller, Wednesbury ---------------------------------------- Birth: Emily Pitt W. Brom Sept 1873 6b. 813

Added by Heather in North Warwickshire on 23/09/2005 14:44:30 I don't know if this is a possibility John Pitt and Elizabeth Dudley married in Tipton 1855 Heather Cheers Heather x Elaine :-)

Bathsheba Ledbrook ?? All these have parents John Berry & Bathsheba ...(Ledbrook (3rd party info) Alfred Berry - Gender: Male Birth: About 1849 Warwick, Warwick, England FREDERICK GEORGE BERRY - Gender: Male Christening: 29 JAN 1837 Morton Morrell, Warwick, England FREDERICK BERRY - Gender: Male Christening: 19 JUN 1842 Morton Morrell, Warwick, England CYRENIUS JOHN BERRY - Gender: Male Christening: 16 FEB 1840 Moreton Morrell, Warwick, England HARRIETT <BERRY> - Gender: Female Christening: 11 MAY 1845 Leamington Priors, Warwick, England ------------- BETHSHEBA LEDBROOKE Female Event(s): Christening: 25 DEC 1810 Burton Dassett, Warwick, England Parents: Father: JOHN LEDBROOKE Family Mother: ELIZABETH Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Have asked Jackie for the Pitt family in Wednesbury 1851 (pg 14) FOUND & added above ! and Sheila for 1851 Warwick for Berry family (pg 9) FOUND and added above ! Still can not find Pitt in 1861 ...