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Sorry Tracy, I lost my internet connection and could not get back on. Someone has been very helpful on the fam. search. There is an Hanna Leese noted for 1812 in Newcastle. No parents. What is the point in that? I can not find any possible widows for her. Yes there are to many Richards. on the 41 there are three in the same household. Richard Ashley/Lear grandfather is Richard Ashley. I can not find him either, but thats for another day

Thomas and Hannah in 1841 Thomas Lewis, 25, Mine? Lab, can't read born in/out of county William '', 5, Y Samuel '', 3, Y George Lewis, 2mths, Y Hannah Lewish, 20, Y living Madeley Heath

No I do not have access. I wish I did. This is turnung into a very big can of worms. I have just checked my tree and can not find Hannah 1812. Is her maiden name name something else I wonder? Looking through all my lea marriages.

There's far too many Richards in this family lol Francis could be Richards brother? Though maybe not since one was born in Stafford and not the other.

I think you have found another branch on the 41. Johns parents are Richard and Martha and his grandparents are Richard and Elizabeth. I do not know who francis is?

I can't work out who Hannahs parents are. Do you have access to the 1851 index?

Didn't know you were gonna open a can of worms when you asked such an innocent question, did you? lol

I knew it was Hannah, ( can not remember from where)did not know it was lea which is the early name for Lear.

That's this one I think... (1861) John Lear abt 1825 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Head Madeley Staffordshire Mary Lear abt 1828 Wintersow, Cheshire, England Wife Madeley Staffordshire >> Geo Lear abt 1850 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Alice Lear abt 1852 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Madeley Staffordshire Jesse Lear abt 1854 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Sarah Lear abt 1856 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Madeley Staffordshire John Lear abt 1860 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Joseph Lear abt 1845 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Boarder Madeley Staffordshire This is John in 1841... Francis Lea, 60, Farmer, No Joseph '', 25, Y John '', 15, Y Henry '', 15, Y Living Manor Farm, Madeley. This explains the Groom bit... Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850 LEAR John GROOM Mary Madeley, All Saints Newcastle-Under-Lyme C16/1/84

there is a George Groom Lear born in 1850, this could be the cousin

I think civil must be a registrar marriage. Dont know when they started.

Oh IGI... THOMAS LEWIS Male Marriages: Spouse: HANNAH LEA Marriage: 20 JAN 1835 Madeley, Stafford, England Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. (How complicated are this family????)

I think you should have a look at these two marriages while you're there to find out why one is a church and the other a civil... 1859 ASHLEY Richard JONES Mary A Madeley, All Saints Newcastle-Under-Lyme C16/1/186 1873 LEAR Richard A LEWIS Martha A Civil Marriage Newcastle-Under-Lyme R6/105 Haven't found a marriage for Thomas and Hannah or William and Harriet yet.

Free bmd has a death for a Mary Ann Lear in 1860 so on the 61 it may be just richard and possible 1 year old daughter

1861 William Lear abt 1817 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Head Madeley Staffordshire Harriet Lear (nee Wycherly) abt 1825 Stanton, Staffordshire, England Wife Madeley Staffordshire William Lear abt 1855 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Richard Lear abt 1857 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Hannah Lear abt 1859 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Madeley Staffordshire John Lear abt 1860 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire 2 doors down... Thomas Lewis abt 1810 Cheswardine, Shropshire, England Head Madeley Staffordshire Hannah Lewis (nee Lear) abt 1812 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Wife Madeley Staffordshire George Lewis abt 1841 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Martha Lewis abt 1849 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Madeley Staffordshire Henry Lewis abt 1852 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Emma Lewis abt 1856 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Madeley Staffordshire George Lear abt 1855 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Nephew Madeley Staffordshire (Nephew of Hannah) Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1864 LEAR Harriet LEWIS Thomas Madeley, All Saints Newcastle-Under-Lyme C16/1/243 WYCHERLY Harriet LEWIS Thomas Madeley, All Saints Newcastle-Under-Lyme C16/1/243 LEWIS Thomas LEAR Harriet Madeley, All Saints Newcastle-Under-Lyme C16/1/243 LEWIS Thomas WYCHERLY Harriet Madeley, All Saints Newcastle-Under-Lyme C16/1/243 1871 Thomas Lewis abt 1814 Cheswardine, Shropshire, England Head Madeley Staffordshire Harriet Lewis abt 1823 Arcall, Shropshire, England Wife Madeley Staffordshire William Lear abt 1854 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Stepson Madeley Staffordshire Richard Lear abt 1857 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Stepson Madeley Staffordshire Hannah Lear abt 1860 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Stepdaughter Madeley Staffordshire John Lear abt 1861 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Stepson Madeley Staffordshire Mary Jane Lewis abt 1867 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Madeley Staffordshire

Ahh, brilliant. I'll summarise what we know, then you can print it off and confirm it all :)

Madeley Parish records are on fische at the local library. they go up to 1885 I think. My plan this morning was to go and look up a marriage for another branch of the family this afternoon.

Martha Ann lewis is the daughter of Thomas Lewis. He was also married before to Hannah ? I will have to put this on paper to see it all clearly

That sounds good to me :) Least we know where all the Lewis' came from lol I still can't find Richard and Mary though :( The available Parish Records only go to 1812. Unless you can get to Stafford?

I think I have the connection. It starts with Richard and Martha Lea. They have two sons, Richard and William Lear. Richard the younger marries Ann Ashley who already has a son Richard Ashley. Richard we think marries twice. 2nd time to Martha Ann Lewis William marries Elizabeth who dies young after the birth of two children. He then marries Harriet. They have 3 children. when william dies, harriet marries thomas Lewis and has another daughter, mary Jane Lewis. Am I still making sense.?