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Amanda
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2 Jan 2025 17:49 |
Hi,
Could l please ask for some help on the following as l have hit some dead ends.
William Johnson 1798 Born in stoke-On-Trent Dont know his death date He married
Cecily Howell 1800 birth- don't know her date date
They had a daughter Sarah Johnson born in 1851 in Stoke-On-Trent
She married Edward Evans birth 1850 in Shropshire, England.
I am looking for William's Parents, siblings, death dates, etc. Any information on them would be helpful.
thank you so much
Amanda
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ErikaH
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2 Jan 2025 17:55 |
Look for the deaths on freebmd - the mother’s, at least, will be after 1851
When do you last see them on censuses?
What research have you done so far?
You will need PR’s for info pre-1837
Try familysearch….another FREE site
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jan 2025 18:08 |
Sarah is listed as their grand-daughter:
Sarah Johnson in the 1851 England Census Name Sarah Johnson Age 2 Mo Estimated Birth Year abt 1851 Relation Granddaughter Gender Female Where born Stoke Old Road, Staffordshire, England Civil parish Stoke upon Trent Ecclesiastical parish Hartshill County/Island Staffordshire Country England Registration district Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district Stoke ED, institution, or vessel 1g Neighbors Household schedule number 265 Piece 2006 Folio 223 Page number 63 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship William Johnson 53 Head Cicely Johnson 51 Wife Joseph Johnson 22 Son Cicely Johnson 17 Daughter Ann Johnson 15 Daughter Elizabeth Johnson 12 Daughter Walter Johnson 7 Son Sarah Johnson 2 Mo Granddaughter
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jan 2025 18:12 |
Cecily is listed as Selina at marriage:
Selina Howell in the Staffordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1900 Name Selina Howell Record Type Marriage Residence Place Stoke Upon Trent Marriage Date 6 Aug 1821 Marriage Place Stoke on Trent, St Peter ad Vincula, Staffordshire, England Spouse William Johnson Religion Anglican Page number 143
There is no information about their parents.
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jan 2025 18:17 |
Name spelled Cicely at death:
Cicely Johnson in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 Name Cicely Johnson Gender Female Death Date abt 1875 Burial Date 1 Apr 1875 Burial Place Hartshill (Near Stoke-Upon-Trent), Stafford, England FHL Film Number 1040842 Reference ID 34
JOHNSON, CICELY 74 GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 214
So she was born approx 1800.
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greyghost
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2 Jan 2025 18:23 |
William appears to have died between 1861 and 1871 as a starting point
Cicely with daughter
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Normacott Road, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Emery Head - Male 27 1844 Potter Longton, Staffordshire, England Ciseley Emery Wife - Female 38 1833 Potter Stoke, Staffordshire, England Thomas Emery Son - Male 5 1866 Scholar Longton, Staffordshire, England Mary Ann Emery Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Longton, Staffordshire, England Sarah Johnson Step-daughter - Female 13 1858 Potter Stoke, Staffordshire, England Ciceley Johnson Mother-in-law - Female 70 1801 No occupation Bromeswell, Staffordshire, England
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Old Stoke Lane, Penkhull, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Johnson Head Married Male 63 1798 Labourer Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Cicily Johnson Wife Married Female 59 1802 - Staffordshire, England Cicily Johnson Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1834 Potter Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Walter Johnson Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Brick & tile maker Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Elizabeth Johnson Granddaughter - Female 7 1854 - Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England William H Johnson Grandson - Male 5 1856 - Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Sarah Johnson Granddaughter - Female 3 1858 - Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jan 2025 18:24 |
Possible death of William ???
William Johnson in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 Name William Johnson Gender Male Death Age 72 Birth Date 1796 Death Date abt 1868 Burial Date 25 Nov 1868 Burial Place Longton, Stafford, England FHL Film Number 1471087
JOHNSON, WILLIAM 72 GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 137
You would have to buy a copy of the death cert to be sure one way or the other.
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greyghost
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2 Jan 2025 18:27 |
William born c 1798 so one of these deaths, but the odd year or so out ? Not unusual.
Name: Age at Death (in years):
JOHNSON, WILLIAM 66 GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 147
JOHNSON, WILLIAM 67 GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 79
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ErikaH
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2 Jan 2025 18:36 |
Of course Sarah wouldn’t have been their daughter………..I didn’t ’do the maths’ earlier. Not concentrating :-( :-(
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greyghost
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2 Jan 2025 19:05 |
Sarah is shown as 2 months old on the 1851 census which was taken 31 March.
So, possibly Sarah Johnson's birth registration - no Mother's maiden name listed so probably the child of a daughter of William and Cicely.
the 1871 census shows her as step-daughter to William Emery, so ? Cicely (Junior's) child
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: JOHNSON, SARAH - GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 209
-------------------- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1865 (>99%)
Emery William Stoke T 6b 253 Johnson Cicely Stoke T 6b 253
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alviegal
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2 Jan 2025 19:10 |
Just adding 1841 to round it off. William is a potter.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Stoke Old Lane, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Household members (10 people) First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place William Johnson Male 40 1801 Staffordshire, England Cecelia Johnson Female 40 1801 Staffordshire, England John Johnson Male 20 1821 Staffordshire, England William Johnson Male 19 1822 Staffordshire, England Mary Johnson Female 18 1823 Staffordshire, England Joseph Johnson Male 14 1827 Staffordshire, England Cecelia Johnson Female 10 1831 Staffordshire, England Ann Johnson Female 8 1833 Staffordshire, England Elizabeth Johnson Female 6 1835 Staffordshire, England Thomas Johnson Male 4 1837 Staffordshire, England
This is the previous household to them but Johnson is a very common name so possibly not connected to them. Joseph is a potter.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Stoke Old Lane, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Household members (6 people) First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Joseph Johnson Male 45 1796 Staffordshire, England Sarah Johnson Female 45 1796 Staffordshire, England Ben Johnson Male 15 1826 Staffordshire, England Martha Johnson Female 10 1831 Staffordshire, England Maria Johnson Female 9 1832 Staffordshire, England Richard Ling Male 85 1756 Staffordshire, England
and 1851 also near to William.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Old Stoke Lane, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Household members (3 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Joseph Johnson - - Male 58 1793 Day labourer Staffordshire, England (he is widowed) Martha Johnson Widow (should be unmarried) - Female 25 1826 Potters stiltmaker Staffordshire, England Sarah A Johnson - - Female 6 1845 Scholar Fenton, Staffordshire, England
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