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Maria Truscott, registered June Qtr 1839, Truro. Can anyone local help find the details, particularly fathers name and mothers maiden name. Any help gratefully acknowledged.

Look for the record on the GRO site…FREE

It will include MMN - if she was legitimate.

Look for the child on the 1841 census….FREE on familysearch or freecen


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Having looked at birth reg on FMP……..MMN Allen

Peter Truscott m. Elizabeth Allen 21.07.1816 in Truro

For earlier Cornish bmds the Cornwall OPC website is very good.

The birth certificate would confirm the parents names.

On PC now, so can C&P

From FMP
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Corporation Row, St James, Truro, Cornwall, England

Peter Truscott Male 45 1796 Cornwall, England
Betsy Truscott Female 45 1796 Cornwall, England
Peter Truscott Male 15 1826 Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Truscott Female 10 1831 Cornwall, England
Sarah Truscott Female 8 1833 Cornwall, England
Maria Truscott Female 2 1839 Cornwall, England

familysearch version of census.........as mentioned it is FREE

Make a note, and use the site for searching

Name Maria Truscott
Sex Female
Age 2
Event Date 1841
Event Place Saint Mawes, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) St James, Cornwall, England
Event Type Census
Residence Note Corporation Row
Birth Year (Estimated) 1839
Birthplace Cornwall
Household Identifier 1115086
Book Number 7
Line Number 12
Page Number 3
Piece/Folio 147/12
Registration Number HO107
Other People on This Record
Peter Truscott
Betsy Truscott
Peter Truscott
Elizabeth Truscott
Sarah Truscott

Another FREE site.................make a note, and use it. It's invaluable

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

TRUSCOTT, MARIA (MMN) ALLEN
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in TRURO UNION Volume 09 Page 334

From FMP
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Higher Way, Cuby, Truro, Cornwall, England

Peter Truscuit Head Married Male 55 1796 Tailor master Tregony, Cornwall, England
Betsey Truscuit Wife Married Female 55 1796 Wife Truro, Cornwall, England
Maria Truscuit Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1839 Daughter Tregony, Cornwall, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
...Gate, Cuby High Lane, Cuby, Truro, Cornwall, England

Peter Truscah Head Married Male 64 1797 Tailor Tregony, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Truscah Wife Married Female 64 1797 - Bow, Cornwall, England
William D Truscah Son - Male 3 1858 - Cornwall, England

Clearly the 3-year-old isn't a 'son'............they lied to the enumerator


Truscott
William Dungey
Baptism 15/10/1858
Mother's Name ELIZABETH...........father not named
Cornwall Baptisms
Cuby with Tregony, Cornwall, England

They also lied to the vicar who performed the baptism..................

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Lanes, Cuby, Truro, Cornwall, England

John Marks Head - Male 28 1843 - Cornwall, England
Maria Marks Wife - Female 31 1840 - Cornwall, England
William Dungey Triscott Wife's son - Male 13 1858 - Cornwall, England
John Marks Son - Male 5 1866 - Cornwall, England
Sarah Marks Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Cornwall, England

I don’t think to say the family lied to the enumerator is fair. You don’t know how the numerator asked the question or how he made his notes or read them.

In my own research it is quite clear that the enumerator got very confused over the names of all the children AND entered the very young servant as a child of the family.

Thanks for all responses. A great help

You’re welcome

Coming a little late to the party (I will private-message Gerald if he doesn't reply here)

I would think there is an excellent chance that William Dungey Truscott's father was a William Dungey.

If the parents weren't married and the father was not named on a birth certificate or baptism record, the father's surname was often given as a middle name. (I had a great-aunt with that name pattern.) Here, the mother's father was Peter, not William, so it's likely that William was the child's father's name.

Possible candidates, from a search at Cornwall GRO site for Dungey baptisms 1830-1845 -- St. Ewe is 5 miles from Tregony, and slightly closer to Cuby.

1831 Ewe, St. William DUNGEY William & Richa
1832 Ewe, St. William DUNGEY Solomon & Mary
1840 Ewe, St. William Henry Allen DUNGEY James & Eleanor

Or, if Maria was working on one of their farms, an older William might have been the father... but given Peter's occupation and likely economic status, she would probably not have been an agricultural labourer or domestic servant.

Possible burials

Day Month 22-Jul Year 1878
Parish Circuit Or Chapel - Ewe, St.
Forename William
Surname DUNGEY
Age 47
Residence Trevenna in Creed
Notes No. 746 (in Register) his daughter No. 550 (in Register) his wife

Day Month 24-Nov Year 1882
Parish Circuit Or Chapel - Just in Penwith, St.
Forename William Henry
Surname DUNGEY
Age 40
Residence The Carne

Possible matching marriages:

Marriages Dec 1864
Dungey William St Austell 5c 205
Marriages Jun 1865
Dungey William Henry St Austell 5c 221

Also, we have to remember that there was no such thing as legal adoption in England until several decades after William Dungey Truscott was born. If he was brought up by his grandparents, or treated as another child of the family in their home, "son" might have been the easiest way for them to describe the relationship. It was not at all an uncommon situation; these litter my family tree.

Do you know the person who corrected Peter Truscott's surname in the 1861 in 2010?

Where was Maria in 1861 - I'm not seeing her in this thread - ? She married in 1863. Can't find her. She married in Redruth reg district:

Marriages Jun 1863
MARKS John Redruth 5c 387
Truscott Maria Redruth 5c 387

Why was this so hard to find? So she was living away from her son and parents:

Name Mary Truscott
Age 22
Relation Servant (after all)
Estimated Birth Year 1839
Where born St Austell, Cornwall, England
Civil parish St Ewe
Registration district St Austell
William Henry Trounce 45 Head (farmer)
Rebecca Jane Trounce 54 Wife
Bessie Williams 17 Niece
Eliza Truscott 30 Servant (dairy maid)
Mary Truscott 22 Servant (house servant)
John Vinacombe 11 Servant (cow boy)

This may be all of no consequence, unless the connection here is to William Dungey Truscott. In that case, a little Y-DNA and autosomal DNA might tell a story!

(An interesting line of my forebears hails from the St Austell area, and I'm still trying to trick the DNA into revealing its own.)

Could be our man in 1861. My money's on him :-)

Name William Dungey
Age 28
Estimated Birth Year 1833
Where born St Ewe, Cornwall, England
Civil parish Creed
County/Island Cornwall
Registration district St Austell
Sub-registration district Grampound

Farmer, unmarried. Creed to Cuby is 1.5 miles.

Ancestry has the households @$&ed up, as usual.
William Dungey is alone in his household; he isn't part of the Julyan household (see below), and he apparently had 40 acres of his own, employing one boy and one man.
Next door, we have:

Thomas Julyan 60 Head (farmer)
Richard Julyan 18 Son
Mary Harvey 42 Servant
Catherine Parkin 23 Servant
Claresa Bilkey 14 Servant
John Pearle 23 Servant
>>> John Marks 18 Servant
George Rolling 16 Servant

I rest my case. :-D

29 June 1858
APPEALS.—WILLIAM DUNGEY, appellant; MARIA TRUSCOTT, respondent. Mr.
STOKES appeared for the appellant, and Mr. CHILDS for the respondent. This was an appeal against an order made at the Ruan Highlanes Petty Sessions, by Mr. Gregor and the Rev. S. Symonds, magistrates, by which William Dungey, of the parish of Creed, was adjudged to pay 2s. a week for the maintenance of the illegitimate child of Maria Truscott. Evidence was given on both sides, and the Court confirmed the order; costs £5.
Source: The Royal Cornwall Gazette, 2 July 1858 __________
Source: Sessions held at Bodmin June 1858 KRESEN KERNOW Online Catalogue QS/1/15/455
__________
Transcribed by Kirsty Sjoholm and Claudia Richards
Appeal of William Dungey of Creed against order made by William Francis Gregor,
esquire, and Samuel Symonds, clerk, JP's, of 30 April, adjudging William Dungey to be
the putative father of the bastard child of Maria Truscott, single woman, of Cuby, on
16 January 1858

Rose

Well that settles that! ;-)

I forgot to check "bastardy orders" at Cornwall OPC ... where, some time ago, I found a male ancestor of mine with a couple such orders made against him some 75 years before this one, about 5 km from Ruan High Lanes. One the year before he married my female ancestor, and one the year he married ... not to the same woman. His wife, my 4x grgrmother, then drowned, about halfway between the two places, 25 years later. He remarried ... to a much younger woman who already had a child, and had a few more ... One does wonder. Mr. Hoare by name...

I'll wait a day or two more and then check in with Gerald to see whether he's seen.

Gerald says by PM:

"Thanks for recent information"

Gerald, I know I for one, and I'm probably not the only one, would be interested in knowing whether this information helped you. We couldn't really tell whether WDT's ancestry was a subject you were looking into.

If you are more specific, it's always possible you might get more ideas! :-)

Also, always best to reply in the thread so others know you've seen it.