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Look for her birth registration on freebmd to find MMN - then look for a possible marriage for parents
Clue…………they married in 1915
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Thanks for your help.
Got what I needed with your guidance
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Not having any luck with Dorothy’s grandmother, Mary Agnes Cleveley born
1869/1870
She married Thomas Cleveley
Going round in circles all night trying to find Mary Agnes’ MMN !
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The marriage for our reference:
Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
Cleveley Thomas Derby 7b 775
Jackson Mary Agnes Derby 7b 775
Mary Agnes Jackson
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name: Mary Agnes Jackson
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 9 May 1891
Marriage Place: St Paul, Derby, Derbyshire, England
Father:
Isaac Jackson <<<<<
Spouse:
Thomas Cleveley
FHL Film Number: 1752148
Reference ID: it.6,p.149,no.298
Mary Agnes Jackson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary Agnes Jackson
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Isaac Jackson
Mother: Betsey Jackson
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby St Alkmund
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: 42 City Road
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Neighbors:
Piece: 3404
Folio: 114
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Jackson 39
Betsey Jackson 33
Mary Agnes Jackson 11
Alf. Henry Jackson 9
Eliza Jackson 7
Susannah Jackson 5
John Jackson 3
Isaac Jackson 1
Birth of her brother Alfred Henry:
JACKSON, ALFRED HENRY mmn BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 392
Therefore, Mary Agnes's birth:
JACKSON, MARY AGNES mmn BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 377
Her parents' marriage:
Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
Bateman Betsy Belper 7b 585
JACKSON Isaac Belper 7b 585
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Find the marriage -
Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
Cleveley Thomas Derby 7b 775
Jackson Mary Agnes Derby 7b 775
Find them in following census to find ages and place of birth /his occupation -
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
77, Alexandra Street, Derby, Derbyshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Cleveley Head Married Male 32 1869 Railway engine driver Staffordshire, England
Mary Agnes Cleveley Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Derbyshire, England
Betsy Cleveley Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Derbyshire, England
George Cleveley Son Single Male 0 1901 - Derbyshire, England
Find her in an earlier census hopefully with family -
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
42, City Road, St Alkmund, Derby, Derbyshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Isaac Jackson Head Married Male 39 1842 Blacksmith Belper, Derbyshire, England
Betsey Jackson Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Waddingham, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Agnes Jackson Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Derbyshire, England
Alf Henry Jackson Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Derbyshire, England
Eliza Jackson Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Derbyshire, England
Susannah Jackson Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Derbyshire, England
John Jackson Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Derbyshire, England
Isaac Jackson Son Single Male 1 1880 - Derbyshire, England
Check MMN for a couple of the children using free site (you have to register) pre 1912
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JACKSON, MARY AGNES BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 377
JACKSON, ISAAC BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 486
Find marriage of the parents -
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
Bateman Betsy Belper 7b 585
JACKSON Isaac Belper 7b 585
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Following on from my previous post -
Her other siblings' births:
JACKSON, ELIZA mmn BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 449
JACKSON, SUSANNAH mmn BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 488
JACKSON, JOHN mmn BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 497
JACKSON, ISAAC mmn BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 486
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If you have access - ancestry has images of the marriages
Name: Thomas Cleveley
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1868
Marriage Date: 9 May 1891
Marriage Place: Derby, St Paul, Derbyshire, England
Father: Allen John Cleveley
Spouse: Mary Agnes Jackson
further info from the image -
Married by Banns
Thomas 23 Bachelor, Fireman, Father a Labourer
Mary Agnes 22 Spinster, Father isaac Jackson a Blacksmith
Both of 35 Mansfield Street
Both signed
witnesses - George Woodbridge and Eliza Jackson
and for Isaac and Betsy -
Name: Isaac Jackson
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 27
Birth Date: 1842
Marriage Date: 1 Feb 1869
Marriage Place: Belper, St Peter, Derbyshire, England
Father: Alfred Jackson
Spouse: Betsy Bateman
and from the image -
Isaac 27, Bachelor, Blacksmith Father Alfred a Stonemason
Betsy Bateman 21 spinster, Father Henry a Labourer
Both of Belper
Isaac made his mark, Betsy signed
witnesses - Robert Bateman and Eliza ??
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