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Did he marry again perhaps after Martha’s death? On the 1901 census he describes himself as married.

he was certainly a confusing man!

Possible death

Martha Shaw
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place: West Derby, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Sep 1892
Inferred Death Place: Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume: 8b
Page: 354



But doesn’t explain why William didn't remarry till 1909

Martha Woodier
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 22
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1868
Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1890
Marriage Place: Shaw, Holy Trinity, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Crompton and Shaw
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Father: Robert Woodier
Spouse: William John Clare
Reference Number: GB127.L201/1/4/3

1901 - living in Everton

John Fenlon 39
Eliza Fenlon 38
Adelaide Fenlon 16
Pency Fenlon 11
Reginald Fenlon 7
Elizabeth M Fenlon 4
William H Shaw 35 - born Manchester occ Carpet planner
Nancy Whittington 28
Robert H Whittington 9/12

possible 1st marriage for William Henry

Name: William Henry Shaw Carpet planner (as in 1911)
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 26
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1867
Marriage Date: 13 Nov 1893
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Liverpool
Father: John Edward Shaw (deceased - occ fentiman ?)
Spouse: Martha Clare - widow
Father: Robert Woodier (not Goodier) builder

both living in Tithebarn Street Liverpool

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office
WOODIER Martha CLARE William J 1890 Shaw, Holy Trinity

Explains why Harriet record has been looked at before

Earlier threads:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1365379

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1398474

Interestingly FMP has ticked this record as been looked at before !

20 Boswell Street, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England
1939 register badge
Household members (4 people)
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First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
William Guther 02 Jul 1906 Male Contractor's Labourer Married 11 1
Harriet Guther 22 Jul 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 11 2
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William H
Country England
Last name Shaw
Volume 8D
Birth quarter 3
Page 228
Birth year 1866
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Owen
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Manchester
Subcategory Civil Births
County Lancashire

Name: John Edward Shaw
Birth Year: abt 1838
Marriage Date: 18 Jul 1860
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Shaw
Spouse's Name: Ann Owen
Spouse's Father's Name: Richard Owen
Archive Roll: 728

Argyll Gran. The parents you list is who I think too. On William Henry's marriage certificate to Sarah Ann Challinor his father is listed as John Edward Shaw - Carver and Guilder.

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: John Shaw
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Ann Shaw
Gender: Male
Where Born: Mossley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Cromwell St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Carver & Gilder
Registration District: Salford
Sub registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 83
Neighbors:
Piece: 3976
Folio: 95
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Shaw 41
Ann Shaw 45
Richard Shaw 19
John E. Shaw 16
William H. Shaw 15
Charles Shaw 11

Name: William H. Shaw
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John Shaw
Mother: Ann Shaw
Gender: Male
Where Born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Cromwell St
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar Student
Registration District: Salford
Sub registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 83
Neighbors:
Piece: 3976
Folio: 95
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Shaw 41
Ann Shaw 45
Richard Shaw 19
John E. Shaw 16
William H. Shaw 15
Charles Shaw 11

Harriet Shaw
Registration Date: Jan 1931
[Feb 1931]
[Mar 1931]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: William Guther
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 616



Name: Harriet Guther
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 28 May 1904
Registration Date: Oct 1976
[Nov 1976]
[Dec 1976]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 36
Page: 1497



Harriet Guther
Age: 72
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1904
Death Date: abt 1976
Burial Date: 18 Nov 1976
Burial Place: Merseyside, England
Cemetery: Toxteth Park Cemetery
Cemetery Section: Non-Conformist

John Edward Shaw
in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)
Name: John Edward Shaw
Birth Year: abt 1838
Marriage Date: 18 Jul 1860
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Shaw
Spouse's Name: Ann Owen
Spouse's Father's Name: Richard Owen
Archive Roll: 728


Therefore, William Henry's birth:

SHAW, WILLIAM HENRY mmn OWEN
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 228

Interesting that they stated they were married for 10 years in 1911 when it was only 2!

I think maybe he wasn't free to. He seems to like telling lies.

I can't find him anywhere after the 1921 census and on his son's marriage certificate in 1946 he is listed as deceased.

His youngest son was Arthur Shaw born 1926 so I wonder if he is listed as still living with his father in 1939?

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William Henry Shaw
in the Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1901 (Cathedral)
Name: William Henry Shaw
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1866
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Edmond Shaw
Mother's Name: Ann Shaw
Archive Roll: 772


William Henry Shaw
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Henry Shaw
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1867
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil parish: Cathedral
Ecclesiastical parish: Cathedral
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 4045
Folio: 7
Page number: 7
Household Members Age Relationship
John Edward Shaw 31 Head
Ann Shaw 37 Wife
Richard Owen Shaw 10 Son
John Edward Shaw 6 Son
William Henry Shaw 4 Son
Charles Shaw 2 Son
Arthur Shaw 2/12 Son

Name: Frederick J Shaw
Registration Date: Oct 1934
[Nov 1934]
[Dec 1934]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Annie E Williams
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 657

this gives his alled dob
Name: William Henry Shaw
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Date: 1876
Marriage Date: 25 Apr 1909
Marriage Place: Christ Church-Great Homer Street, Everton, Lancashire, England
Father:
John Edward Shaw --- carver and gilder
Spouse:
Sarah Ann Challinor
FHL Film Number: 1546074
Reference ID: 2:2CV1941


Name: Sarah Ann Challinor
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1883

Maybe wasn’t free to marry

Marriages Jun 1909
CHALLINO_ Sarah Ann W.Derby 8b 452
SHAW William Henry W. Derby 8b 452

1911 census says married 10 years but must be a face saver

This is the 1911 census for the family:

Edith Shaw
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edith Shaw
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Country: England
Street Address: 68 Buckingham St Everton Liverpool
Occupation: School
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration District: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Piece: 22488
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henry Shane 40 [ SHAW on image ] - Manchester
Sarah Ann Shane 26 [ SHAW] - Liverpool
Harriett McGuinness 34 - sister-in-law, married, Liverpool
Edith Shaw 8
Harriett Shaw 6
William H Shaw 5
Frederick J Shaw 3
Edward Shaw 0

It says married for 10 years - but presumably they lied!


Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
CHALLINO_ Sarah Ann W.Derby 8b 452
SHAW William Henry W. Derby 8b 452