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31 Jan 2021 14:42 |
Hello I am looking for a family on the 1939 register and wonder if anyone could please help.
Alice Ann Horrocks born 1881 in Wigan Lancashire married John Carney 1911 in Wigan Lancashire
Alice died in 1952 and not sure when John Died.
They had 3 children all born in Wigan Lancashire James C Carney 1913 John G Carney 1917 Mary Carney 1920
I have Alice's parents and siblings on the 1911, 1901, 1891 census
But cant find any trace on the 1939
Any help would be very much appreciated
Linda
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ErikaH
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31 Jan 2021 15:05 |
WHERE did Alice die?
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31 Jan 2021 15:08 |
Hi ErikaH
Alice died in Wigan Lancashire
Alice Ann Carney BIRTH 1881 DEATH 3 Nov 1952 (aged 70–71) BURIAL Lower Ince Cemetery Ince in Makerfield, Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, Greater Manchester, England
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31 Jan 2021 15:18 |
For an idea of birthdate, her baptism.
Baptism: 4 Dec 1881 St Andrew, Wigan, Lancashire, England Alice Ann Horrocks - [Child] of Thomas Horrocks & Ellen Abode: 6 Canal St Occupation: Collier Baptised by: W.A.Wickham Incumbent Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1901, Page 31, Entry 244 Source: Original register at Wigan Archive
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31 Jan 2021 15:20 |
1939 15 Sharp Street, Wigan, Wigan C.B., Lancashire, England
Alice A Conney 03 Oct 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Du Widowed 147 1 Horace Horrocks 12 Aug 1906 Male Incapacitated Single 147 2 Harry Horrocks 12 Oct 1911 Male Labourer French Cligger He Single 147 3 James Conney 28 Aug 1913 Male Builders Labourer Heavy Single 147 4 John Conney 01 Oct 1918 Male Shop General Salesm Single 147 5 Mary Culshaw (Conney) 29 Sep 1920 Female Mill Worker Can Tent Single 147 6 The record for this person is officially closed
I think the closed record is probably a fourth child, Thomas E.
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31 Jan 2021 15:23 |
ErikaH
You are brilliant
Thank you so much for your help
Linda
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31 Jan 2021 15:25 |
:-D :-D
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1 Feb 2021 11:29 |
CARNEY Thomas Eric HORROCKS 1927 Wigan (Central) Wigan & Leigh WIG(C)/8/5
First name(s) Thomas Eric Last name Carney Gender Male Birth day 14 Birth month 2 Birth year 1927 Death quarter 3 Death year 2000 District Wigan & Leigh District number 0181D Register number D13B Entry number 084 Date of registration mm/yy 0800
First name(s) Thomas E Last name Carney Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1960 Thomas E Carney married Edith Pemberton
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1 Feb 2021 11:34 |
Looking at 1911, it appears that Alice had two Horrocks children - Horace and Joseph - plus Harry in 1911, who is with her and Horace in 1939
Unless Joseph belonged to her sister Ellen.......................
1911 census Name: Thomas Horrocks Age in 1911: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Wigan Country: England Street Address: 6 Cecil Avenue Marital status: Widowed Occupation: Collier (Hewer) Registration District Number: 458 Sub-registration District: Wigan ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Piece: 23001 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Horrocks 65 Alice Ann Horrocks 29 Gorge Horrocks 24 James Horrocks 22 Ellen Horrocks 21 Edith Wilkinson Horrocks 13 Horace Horrocks 4 Joseph Horrocks 2
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1 Feb 2021 12:03 |
Not sure who Edith belonged to
WILKINSON, EDITH HORROCKS (NO MMN)- GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 135
Deaths Jun 1925 (>99%) Wilkinson Edith H 27 Wigan 8c 5
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23 Mar 2021 08:47 |
ErikaH sorry for the delay in replying but not been on here for a while as family matters have taken over. Thank you so much for your help. You are so clever. Thank you once again. Your help is always appreciated.
Linda
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23 Mar 2021 09:09 |
:-D :-D :-D :-D
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23 Mar 2021 12:44 |
More re Edith:
Edith Honostle Wilkinson in the 1901 England Census Name: Edith Honostle Wilkinson [Edith Horrocks Wilkinson] Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation to Head: Granddaughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Pemberton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Wigan Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St Andrew County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Wigan Sub-registration District: Wigan ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Neighbors: Piece: 3557 Folio: 75 Page Number: 5 Household Schedule Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Horrocks 54 Ellen Horrocks 54 Robert Horrocks 30 Thos Horrocks 28 Esther Horrocks 24 Alice Ann Horrocks 19 George Horrocks 14 James Horrocks 12 Ellen Horrocks 11 Edith Honostle Wilkinson 3 Beatrice Alice Horrocks 2
Edith Horrocks or Wilkinson in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current Name: Edith Horrocks or Wilkinson Birth Date: 1898 Death Date: 13 May 1925 Cemetery: Lower Ince Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Ince in Makerfield, Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, Greater Manchester, England
But still no clue to her parentage.
The grand-daughter Beatrice Alice was also illegitimate:
HORROCKS, BEATRICE ALICE - GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 33
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23 Mar 2021 12:48 |
ArgyllGran
Thank you once again for your help
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23 Mar 2021 12:49 |
Beatrice was Esther Horrocks's daughter:
Beatrice Horrocks in the 1911 England Census Name: Beatrice Horrocks Age in 1911: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Wigan Country: England Street Address: 3 New St Wiganlanc Marital status: Single Occupation: At School Registration District Number: 458 Sub-registration District: Wigan ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Piece: 23005 Household Members: Name Age Luke Aspey 34 Esther Aspey 35 Beatrice Horrocks 12 Geo Aspey 8 Arthur Aspey 6 Freddie Aspey 4 Nellie Aspey 2
Luke Aspey in the Wigan, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1926 Name: Luke Aspey Gender: Male Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1877 Marriage Date: 19 May 1902 Marriage Place: Wigan, St Andrew, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Wigan, St Andrew Spouse: Esther Horrocks
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23 Mar 2021 14:02 |
perhaps these were the parents of Edith Horrocks Wilkinson
Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%) Fisher Alice Ann Wigan 8c 60 Horrocks Harriet Wigan 8c 60 Wilkinson John Thomas Wigan 8c 60 Wrigley William Wigan 8c 60
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23 Mar 2021 14:07 |
Harriet married William Wrigley, not John Wilkinson:
Harriet Horrocks in the Wigan, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1926 Name: Harriet Horrocks Gender: Female Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1875 Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1896 Marriage Place: Hindley, St Peters, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Hindley, St Peters Father: Thomas Horrocks Spouse: William Wrigley
And she's not a daughter of Thomas and Ellen, in any case. She's with parents Thomas and Jane in 1891, in Hindley, Lancs.
Edith was the daughter of an unmarried woman named Wilkinson, per the birth reg.
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23 Mar 2021 14:13 |
I think she was probably the daughter of Thomas and Ellen's son Thomas:
Thomas Horrocks in the Wigan, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1926 Name: Thomas Horrocks Gender: Male Age: 28 Record Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1873 Marriage Date: 5 Aug 1901 Marriage Place: Wigan, St Andrew, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Wigan, St Andrew Father: Thomas Horrocks Spouse: Catherine Wilkinson <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Thomas Horrocks in the 1911 England Census Name: Thomas Horrocks Age in 1911: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Wigan Country: England Street Address: 53 Holt St Woodhouse Lane Wigan Marital status: Married Occupation: Colliery Firiman (below Ground) Registration District Number: 458 Sub-registration District: Wigan ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Piece: 23005 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Horrocks 36 Catherine Horrocks 35 Thomas Horrocks 9 Robert Horrocks 8 Florence Horrocks 5
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23 Mar 2021 15:00 |
ArgyllGran
You are so clever. thank you so much
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