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Hi out there.
My Great Grandfather John Steele born 1845 in Inverkeithing Fife, Scotland was raised by a Mrs. Moodie. His and his Brother James born 1843 were boarded and schooled by money from the Local Parish. You can see both on the 1851 census.
I don't know how to find the parish records. While I have looked for the records in Scotland's people records I am sure that the information was kept ( The Scots never through out information and other items.
Any information On how to look or where to look would be appreciated. I am sure that parish records would name the parents and who applied for parish help. ( looking for parents names also.

Jack Steele
Ontario, Canada

for info


Census Year County Place Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1851 Fife (FIF) Inverkeithing Inverkeithing Inverkeithing 432 1 0 26 130 High Street
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
MOODIE Margaret Head W F 42 Washing & Sewing FIF Inverkeithing
STEELE James Lodger - M 8 Scholar Rec Parish Relief FIF Leslie
STEELE John Lodger - M 6 Scholar Rec Parish Relief FIF Leslie

1851 census you refer to. Living in Inverkeithing but said to be born in Leslie, Fife

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

High Street, Inverkeithing, West Fife, Fife, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Moddie Head Widow Female 42 1809 Washing & Sewing Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland
James Steele Lodger - Male 8 1843 Scholar Re P Relief Leslie, Fife, Scotland
John Steele Lodger - Male 6 1845 Scholar Re P Relief Leslie, Fife, Scotland

hi
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who did john steele marry

could this be them

Census Year County Place Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1851 Fife (FIF) Dunfermline Dunfermline Dunfermline 424 1 0 18 72 Charlestown
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
MOULTRY John Head W M 65 Labourer FIF Dunfermline
MOULTRY Henry Wife U F 36 Labourer FIF Dunfermline F'name as enum'ed,age in male column
STEEL Christian Dau W F 26 Housekeeper FIF Dunfermline
STEEL James Grnson - M 7 Scholar FIF Dunfermline
STEEL Margaret Grndau - F 4 Scholar FIF Dunfermline
STEEL John Grnson - M 6 Scholar FIF Dunfermline

You might get something from Kirk Sessions records -

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=695909.0 Have look at the questions and answers here.

The on-line catalogue of the National Archives of Scotland will tell you if the minutes survive for a particular period and give you the reference number to be entered on the computer to bring them up. It is always worth searching for an individual by name in the NAS catalogue too.

They have been digitised but can only be looked at in the historical Search Room at NAS - maybe an email to them would help?

That looks a possibility safc

Marriage -
Surname Forename Spouse Name Date Parish Number Ref Parish
STEELE DAVID CHRISTIAN MOULTRY/FR4852 (FR4852)
11/11/1843 424/ 170 50 Dunfermline

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Hill Street, Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

Margaret McCormack Head Widow Female 49 1812 Char Woman Limekilns, Fife, Scotland
John Steel Boarder Unmarried Male 16 1845 Grocers Messenger Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland

I'm sure I've looked for John and his brother before.

Yes, this is very familiar. I seem to remember a very long thread.


Added:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1374336

MANY other threads listed on that one.

Posted by Jack on one of his threads.

My brick wall for many years is my GG grandfather John Steele. Little is known of him other then on his son's wedding certificate was listed his parents, as John Steele mill worker and mother Isabella Douglas. No dates for either of them. Apparently they had 2 sons James born in 1843 in Leslie, Fife, and my gg grandfather John born in 1845. one birth source says Leslie, and another says Inverkeithing, Fife. Johns Jrs wedding certificate says both parents were deceased. John Jr, and Margaret Green were married in 1876, in the parish of Eastwood in Renfrew.

Years of birth are derived from 1851 census Inverkeithing, John 6 years old and James 8 years old. Both living with a Mrs. Moodie, and board ,lodging, and schooling paid by the parish.

Parish relief would have been pad by the church.

Lots of info here:

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/poor-relief-records


Also here, re "boarding out", and how to find records;

"Charities, churches and other voluntary bodies historically provided for children who were in need of shelter and protection. With the passing of the New Poor Law in 1834, the state also began to play a role in the residential care of children who were orphaned, neglected, or impoverished.
A network of Poor Law Unions was created from 1834, to provide relief for the poor in the form of the workhouse. From the 1840s pauper children were increasingly housed in separate accommodation away from the ‘taint’ of the workhouse in a number of different types of institution. In many cases pauper children were housed in ‘voluntary homes’ of different types, their fees paid by their Poor Law Union."

"Boarding-out – where other facilities were unavailable, pauper children might be ‘boarded-out’ (fostered) with local families."

https://tinyurl.com/ydn93xdg



And possibly a useful thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=175476.0

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1374336

Oops - duplication - sorry AG

I rememberd the poster's name as soon as I saw the post


From another thread about these people

Names etc can be found on....................


https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356203

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1352138

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1347651

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1222008

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1216293

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1074147

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1129930