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I'm still coming back to William Holt Warren. born the right qtr but a year out, there is no other Warren /Wood marriage to account for him in Croydon at least.

1901
First name(s) William H
Last name Warren
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Age 9
Birth year 1892
Birth town -
Birth place Not Known
Birth place other as transcribed N K
Birth county -
Occupation None
House name -
House number -
Street -
Town -
Parish Reigate
Country England
County Surrey
Municipal ward South East
Registration district Reigate

Archive reference RG13
Piece number 628
Folio 109
Page 27
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

William Frederick seems to have had 2 sisters - at least one of them was younger than him and suffered from consumption (TB) which his other sister died of around 1911 ?? - I can see no registrations to fit in with this as yet ?

Dea x

Still reading............... but just had a thought. - As his father died on 26th May 1892 and he was born on 9th June 1892, it is very possible that amongst all the 'activity' and distress, his birth was not registered??

28 more pages to go so back later............................

Dea x

These look like his army records which you can download for free:

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=299172

I am off to have a read but they do give a birth date of 9th June, 1892..

There appear to be 74 pages so it may be a while before I return with any more info !! ;-)

Dea x

Don't know if it's just coincidence re name but if Charles died at 89 Gloucester rd Croydon in 1892, ( he's wasn't there 1891) this is number 93. EDIT does seem likely to be coincidence.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Gloucester Road, Croydon, Surrey, England

Henry Warren Head Married Male 40 1851 Butchers Assistant Surrey, England
Eliza Warren Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Hampshire, England
Agnes Annie Warren Daughter - Female 7 1884 - Surrey, England

Even if Charles of Portsea is the right person, I can't see him on any census.

The ONLY way to get 100% factual info is to get a copy of the 1887 marriage cert

It may well be that the birth info is the right person, but......................

So possible ...Lottie Warren married Murgatroyd in Hungary 1891 -1895 records FMP

Living in Lewisham in 1911 ( her husband John T Murgatroyd died 1911 Lewisham)

1911 Census For England & Wales
45 Dacre ST, Lewisham, London & Kent, England


Lottie Murgatroyd Head Married Male 42 1869 Keeper Of General Shop Norwood Surrey
Violet Murgatroyd Daughter Single Female 10 1901 School Athens Greece
Fred King Nephew Single Male 18 1893 Milkman Croydon Surrey


Marriages Mar 1927 (>99%)

Hall Thomas W Murgatroyd Manchester S. 8d 148
Murgatroyd Lottie Hall Manchester S. 8d 148

??

Lottie married as Hall


First name(s) CYRIL E N
Last name COOKE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1950
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

CYRIL E N COOKE married one of these people

Lottie Hall

1939 register
Name: Lottie Cooke
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1868
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 41 St. James St.
Residence Place: Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, England
Occupation: Palmist
Schedule Number: 170
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: WOTF
Registration district: 314/3
Household Members:
Name
Lottie Cooke
Cyril Cooke

Name: Cyril Cooke
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1874
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 41 St. James St.
Residence Place: Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, England
Occupation: Unemployed (Circus Artist)
Schedule Number: 170
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: WOTF
Registration district: 314/3
Household Members:
Name

tree on ancestry has this
charles
Birth
abt 1864

1864

(AGE)
Marriage
15 June 1887 • The Registry Office,Croydon, Surrey

Address given as 2 Church Path, Croydon, Surrey
Lottie Wood

(1868–1951)

1887

23
Death
26 May 1892 • 89 Gloucester Road, Croydon, Surrey

lottie
Birth
01 Nov 1868 • Norwood, Surrey, England

1868

(AGE)
Baptism
20 Dec 1868 • Croydon, St James, Surrey, England

1868
Birth of Brother Albert Alfred Wood(1875–)
January 1875 • Croydon, Surrey, England

1875

6
Residence
1881 • Croydon, Surrey, England

Age 12, living with parents James (65) & Esther (39) and sibling Albert (6)

1881

13
Marriage
15 June 1887 • The Registry Office,Croydon, Surrey

Address given as 2 Church Path, Croydon, Surrey
Charles Robert Warren

(1864–1892)

1887

18
Death of Husband Charles Robert Warren(1864–1892)
26 May 1892 • 89 Gloucester Road, Croydon, Surrey

1892

23
Birth of Son William Fredrick Warren(1893–1922)
abt 1893 • England

1893

24
Death of Son William Fredrick Warren(1893–1922)
25 December 1922 • Quebec, Ontario, Canada

1922

54
Residence
1939 • Somerset, England

Marital Status: Married

1939

71
Marriage
16 Jan 1950 • Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, England
Cyril Eugene Nelson Cooke

(1874–1956)

1950

81
Death
02 Dec 1951 • 41 St James Street, Weston Super Mare



Name
Charles Robert Warren
Estimated Birth Year
abt 1864
Registration Year
1892
Registration Quarter
Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death
28
Registration district
Croydon
Parishes for this Registration District
Croydon
Inferred County
Surrey
Volume
2a
Page
150

1939


Name
Lottie Cooke
Gender
Female
Marital Status
Married
Birth Date
1 Nov 1868
Residence Year
1939
Address
41 St. James St.
Residence Place
Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, England
Occupation
Palmist
Schedule Number
170
Sub Schedule Number
1
Enumeration District
WOTF
Registration district
314/3
Household Members

NameAge
NameLottie Cooke
NameCyril Cooke

Thanks Shirley

There is no William Frederick born 1893, mmn Wood on the GRO index ( which is why I was looking at William Holt Warren instead).

Name: William Frederick Warren
Event Type: Enterrement (Burial)
Death Date: 1922
Burial Date: 1922
Burial Place: Quebec (Quebec City), Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: Anglican Saint Mathew´s Church
Religion: Anglican
corporal in the R C S

William Fredrick Warren
Spouse: Violet Maud Govier
Father: Charles Robert Warren
Mother: Lottie Wood
Children: William Frederick
Birth: 1893 England
Death: 25/12/1922 Quebec Canada
Residence: 1 Jun 1921 Quebec City Quebec (Urban Agglomeration) Quebec Canada

George Warren's death;

George Warren
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: George Warren
Death Date: 1 Jan 1866
Death Place: Southampton, England
Probate Date: 1866
Probate Registry: Principal Registry

Occupation: Chimney sweep.
Letters of administration to relict Maria.



WARREN, GEORGE 30
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 283

But if it is that Lottie she is back in England on 1911, Lewisham...just a possible for ref.

Births of siblings on the 1871 census:

WARREN, HENRY JAMES mms JENKINS
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 424

WARREN, HUBERT EDWARD mms JENKINS
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 390

There is a child with middle initial H if that is him ( and in the absence of any other info I am just exploring at this point) who was an inmate in 1901, a Lottie Warren who remarried in Hungary sometime bet 1891-1895...thinking acrobat, maybe circus travelling performers as I can't find them on census ??

Nothing for certain without OP giving more info.

Parents' marriage again, showing fathers' names:

George Warren
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: George Warren
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1859
Marriage Place: Newchurch, Hampshire, England
Father: Robert Warren
Spouse: Maria Jenkins [ father: George Jenkins ]
FHL Film Number: 1470879
Reference ID: 2:3GDXHBS



Maria Warren
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Maria Warren
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Warren
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight, Ventnor
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 198
Piece: 636
Folio: 187
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
George Warren 25 - chimney sweep
Maria Warren 23
George J Warren 1
Edward Evans 23


Maria seems to have remarried:


George F Warren
in the 1871 England Census
View 1871 England Census
Name: George F Warren
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Mitcheldean Gloucestershire England
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 1132
Folio: 41
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lane 28
Maria Lane 33
George F Warren 11
William J Warren 9
Hubert E Warren 4


William Cole Lane
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Cole Lane
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Portsea Island
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 735
Records on Page:
Name
William Cole Lane
Maria Warren


But no sign of Charles with them in 1871 above.

??

Charles Robert Warren
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charles Robert Warren
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 28
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 150

Charles Robert Warren
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Charles Robert Warren
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1863
Baptism Place: Saint John,Portsea,Hampshire,England
Father: George Warren
Mother: Maria
FHL Film Number: 918875, 918876


Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
Jenkins Maria I Wight 2b 729
Warren George I. Wight 2b 729