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Are you using this site which gives mmn before Q3 1911

https://www.gro.gov.uk

(sorry haven't trawled through all of thread to see if it's been shown)

You need to register, but free to use

The record is there - will not be available via freebmd or commercial sites)

Dea posted above that the mothers maiden name can be found on the GRO site on births, but I couldn't find it. Can you please advise how? Thanks.

Thanks very much dea, thought she might be one of ours.

Info freely available on the GRO site:

COUSINS, ALICE MARY mmn = HOEY Order
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 265

Dea x

One more request Please. As certificates are obtained I am pondering the movement of the family between 1891 and 1901.

Can anyone look up the mother's maiden name of this birth and death in Plymouth reg. District ?

Alice Mary Cousins.. Birth and death 4Q 1893 Plymouth .

Thank you .. I hope to come back later and tell the end of the story. It would be nice for you to get a small reward for all your hard work. G :-D

This is so good.
Interestingly, Annie Moore Wilton, the sibling from the first marriage, father Simon, was left in the workhouse 1891.
She later had a relationship with a certain Sam Callaghan , and left him to live with his brother Cornelius Callaghan, b. 1882 Ireland. Cornelius had been adopted out to Canada and returned when aged 20, and set up home with said Annie. Just to add a bit of a story, that I have been told.
You should get a medal for this guys..

We make a good team! Enjoy your afternoon.

Could be her, shame no Ship name given on that Record...

Chris :)

(now off for a cuppa in garden centre, lol, will leave you be!)

I had thought this might be Beatrice but it's 1910, whereas the record you posted says 1909:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6GN9-83B?i=25&cc=1823240

Yes, looks like Home Children, Canada have good Records I believe...

Chris :)

Well found Chris- I think its very likely. - Especially for Beatrice as I don't see her on the 1911.

I did wonder if they'd travelled there as part of the Home Children scheme. I had family that were taken into care and taken to Canada.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=83307

(if her above AQ, just after that 1911 perhaps)

Chris :)

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=144313

(Beatrice?)

(can see Kathleen (Outgoing FMP) but not Beatrice, to check age)

Edits (yes, 1910 as Walton)

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=70692

Sadly Kathleen died in 1926, aged just 28:

Death certificate here: (Gives DOB of June 18th 1897- I suspect this is 1 year out)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6GY6-4S?i=1333&cc=1307826

I have a good feeling about the above Kathleen- in 1922 Beatrice Wilton age 25 (born Devon) is travelling from Vermont to visit her sister Catherine Hobrow in Ontario.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DW-1Z9F?i=7625&cc=2185163

I believe the sister Catherine is the above Kathleen Wilton/ Hobrow.
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So it seems to fit:

The Kathleen WIlton that married Arthur Hobrow was the right age and born in Bristol and had a sister Beatrice- all matches info for Kathleen and Beatrice Cousins.

Nothing on Beatrice yet, but wondered if this was worth looking at for Kathleen.

I don't think the Kathleen Wilton in 1911 posted on page 1 living in Bath is correct. I suspect that is Cathleen Wilton, daughter of Albert & Selina.

However, if she did go by the name Wilton, then this could be her:

1911:
Name: Kathleen Wilton
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Kingston on Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Street address: Princess Louise Home For Children Girls), Kingston Hill Kingston, Kingston Upon Thames
Occupation: School Girl
Registration district: Kingston
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Then there is this marriage in 1917 in Ontario to Arthur A Hobrow. Kathleen is listed as 19 from Bristol and her parents are not known.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GBT4-NQN?i=839&cc=1784216

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The same couple in 1921- with children Kathleen & Violet:

Name Kathleen Hobrow
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Age 26
Birth Year abt 1895
Birth Place England
Relation to Head of House Wife
Spouse's Name Albert Hobrow
Father Birth Place England
Mother Birth Place England
Year of Immigration 1915
Racial or Tribal Origin English
Province or Territory Ontario
District Hamilton West
District Number 88
Sub-District Ward No 3
Sub-District Number 18
City, Town or Village Hamilton
Street or Township 6 Fanning
Municipality Ward 3
Occupation General
Income 725
Name Age
Albert Hobrow 28
Kathleen Hobrow 26
Kathleen Hobrow 3
Violes Hobrow 2

I'll be back onto it tomorrow :)

Yes- that sounds correct, a late 1895 birth registered in 1896.

And just to eliminate- the Kate Cousins/ John Unwin marriage is not correct either.

That Kate remarried in 1933 Loughborough to Walter Wortley- this is her in 1939:

115 Leicester Road , Shepshed U.D., Leicestershire, England

Walter Wortley 05 Jan 1884 Male Stone Quarrier - Heavy Worker Married
Kate Wortley 06 Jan 1891 Female House Work Unpaid Married
Albert Wortley 05 Nov 1934 Male At School Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Kathleen Smith (Unwin) 15 Apr 1924 Female Hosiery Transferrer Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

It was handwritten 1895, but printed registration said 1896, thus the confusion. Probably registered 15 January 1896. Hope that's clear.

So Beatrice (only name) Cousins, 19th November 1895. Father Edward Thomas cousins, mother Annie, Wilton/Townsend., 54 Preston street, Exeter.

Mum in law has the birth certificate, with the correct parents as above. I HAVE ASKED AGAIN. She just replied 1896, but will double check, just in case the copy is hand written (so easy to misread). I think it was from GRO and they send photocopy don't they?

BIG THANKS.

I'd already discounted the Beatrice/ Victor Searle marriage- can't remember why (it wasn't just the birth date)- I really need to make notes! I'll add if I remember :)

This is them in 1939- Beatrice birth is given as 1901:

13 Lower King's Avenue , Exeter C.B., Devon, England

Victor H D Scarle 09 Apr 1895 Male University Lecturer In Physics Married
Beatrice Scarle 03 Apr 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Frances Chow (Yih) 01 Jun 1916 Female Student Single
Jung Isang Zee 03 Dec 1921 Male Student Single