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19 Nov 2021 23:32 |
Nellie Vera M Channon in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Nellie Vera M Channon Death Age: 69 Birth Date: 6 Mar 1904 Registration Date: Apr 1973 [May 1973] [Jun 1973] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Bristol Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume: 7b Page: 536
Marriages Dec 1927 (>99%) Channon Albert Jervis Bristol 6a 262 Jervis Nellie V H Channon Bristol 6a 262
Nellie Vera Hill Jewis in the Bristol, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 Name: Nellie Vera Hill Jewis Marriage Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1904 Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1927 Marriage Place: Bedminster, St Michael and All Angels, Bristol, England Parish as it Appears: St Michael & All Angels Wind Mill Hill Father: Henry Jewis, seaman Spouse: Albert Channon
Annie E Jarvis in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Annie E Jarvis Gender: Female Marital Status: Widow Birth Date: 24 Feb 1864 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 246 Residence Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Occupation: Domestic Unpaid Line Number: 7 Schedule Number: 19 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: OAEM Borough: Bristol Registration district: 319/3 Household Members Age Annie E Jarvis 75 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Albert Channon 36 Nellie V Channon 35
Annie's death:
JERVIS, ANNIE ELLEN 77 GRO Reference: 1942 M Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 131
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19 Nov 2021 23:18 |
Well done on finding the marriage!
Our last sighting of Annie so far, was in 1881 , with her mother Sarah, and husband Reginald.
In 1894 Reginald married Ellen Page, as already posted.
Annie Hill in the 1891 England Census Name: Annie Hill Gender: Female Age: 27 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1864 Spouse: William Hill Child: William G Hill Birth Place: Yaunton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston St Mary Residence Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England Registration district: Portsea Island Sub registration district: Landport ED, Institution or Vessel: 9 Neighbors: Piece: 867 Folio: 57 Household Members Age Relationship William Hill 29 Head Annie Hill 27 Wife William G Hill 1 Son
Annie Hill in the 1901 England Census Name: Annie Hill Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: William Hill Birth Place: Taunton, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Portsmouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Town: Portsmouth County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Portsmouth Sub-registration District: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: Piece: 1003 Folio: 84 Page Number: 4 Household Schedule Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age William Hill 49 Annie Hill 37 William G Hill 11 Thomas F Hill 9 Alfred A Hill 7
HILL, WILLIAM GEORGE mmn HOOPER GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 538
HILL, THOMAS FREDERICK mmn HOOPER GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 485
HILL, ALFRED ARCHIBALD mmn HOOPER GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 516
Annie Jervis in the 1911 England Census Name: Annie Jervis Age in 1911: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Taunton, Somerset Civil Parish: Hanley Country: England Street Address: 41 Beresford St, Shelton, Stoke On Trent, Staffs Marital status: Married Years Married: 8 Estimated Marriage Year: 1903 Registration District Number: 361 Sub-registration District: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Piece: 16541 Household Members: Name Age Henry Jervis 44 Annie Jervis 47 Nellie Jervis 7 Thomas Hill 19 - Portsmouth
HILL, NELLIE VERA MURREY mmn HOOPER GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 413
Nellie Vera Murrey Hill in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 Name: Nellie Vera Murrey Hill Birth Date: 6 Mar 1904 Baptism Date: 11 Aug 1904 Baptism Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton Father: William Hill Mother: Annie Ellen Murrey Hill
Annie doesn't seem to have married either William Hill or Henry Jervis.
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19 Nov 2021 20:22 |
FreeBmd Marriages William Townsend at Taunton 5c 617 .... Spouse missing After a search for Sarah Townsend same quarter she is found page 6c 617 Droitwich. Original entry examined. It is her, same page as William and I have added a postem today.
Happy days !
Thank you for all the efforts you have put I so far.
However, I must now decide if this Annie, with a difficult background, is indeed the one I'm looking for. I cannot find a death or later matching census for Annie GILL. If such a record exists, it would collapse the whole pack of cards.
Comments please ?
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18 Nov 2021 22:56 |
Oh thank you, that could have been a big mistake.... perhaps we have the correct Sarah on census after all.
Maybe no marriage at all, after all that has been found, it seems Sarah had Annie to Murrey perhaps , but lived as William Townsend's wife,
Good night,
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18 Nov 2021 22:43 |
The timing looks ok, but I found info that this marriage was at St.Dunstans,London, 23rd August 1863. Sarah Hooper's father was JOHN Hooper Williams father was William Townsend
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18 Nov 2021 22:23 |
Hmmm - I don't think it's the right marriage:
Sarah Hooper in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Name: Sarah Hooper Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 23 Aug 1863 Marriage Place: St Dunstan in the West, City of London, England Father: John Hooper Spouse: William Townsend Register Type: Parish Register
William's a shipwright, and his father, also called William, is a sawmill proprietor. Address: 170 Fleet Street.
Sarah's father John is a Captain. Address: 185 Fleet Street.
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18 Nov 2021 22:04 |
Marriages Sep 1863 BUTCHER John W London 1c 133 Scan available - click to view Hooper Sarah W. London 1c 133 Scan available - click to view Pearce Eleanor W. London 1c 133 Scan available - click to view TOWNSEND William W. London 1c 133 Scan available - click to view
Thinking outside the box, this looks like them...
It's not the first time I've found poor relatives marrying in London.
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18 Nov 2021 16:55 |
Possible death of James's father ??
MURREY, JOHN 79 GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 250
John Murrey in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: John Murrey Death Date: 16 Apr 1895 Death Place: Taunton, Somerset, England Probate Date: 9 May 1895 Probate Registry: Taunton
John Murrey of Taunton, retired cabinet maker, died 16 April 1895. Probate Taunton 9 May to Walter Knighton Petherick, bird stuffer, and William John Jewell, chief clerk in the district Probate Registry at Taunton. Effects £315 1s.
John Murrey in the 1851 England Census Name: John Murrey Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Murrey Gender: Male Where Born: Taunton, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Taunton St Mary Magdalen Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Taunton County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Taunton Sub-registration District: Pitminster ED, institution, or vessel: 4g Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 82 Piece: 1922 Folio: 632 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age John Murrey 35 - cabinet maker Elizabeth Murrey 37 Ferdinando Murrey 7
MURREY, FERDINANDO BUTLER mmn BUTLER GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 10 Page 468
Ferdinand Butthe Murrey in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 Name: Ferdinand Butthe Murrey Baptism Date: 23 Nov 1843 Baptism Place: Taunton St Mary, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: St Mary Magdalene Taunton Father: John Murrey Mother: Elizabeth Murrey
Given Ferdinando's middle name and mmn, as well as father's name and occupation, this must be James's family - though I'm not sure about his birth - the 1846 illegitimate birth I suggested earlier doesn't seem right after all, as it's after John & Elizabeth's marriage, but I can't see a a birth with mmn Butler or similar.
But he's never with his father in census - he seems to have been brought up by his grandparents ..
John & Elizabeth's marriage:
Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%) BUTLER Elizabeth Mayne Bridgwater 10 563 MURREY John Bridgwater 10 563
John, Elizabeth and Ferdinando are together in 1861,1871 and 1881, though Ferdinando is called Frederick in 1881.
Ferdinando died in Dec 1881, and Elizabeth died in 1887. 1891, John's a boarder in Taunton.
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18 Nov 2021 15:32 |
Sarah Murrey in the 1911 England Census Name: Sarah Murrey Age in 1911: 69 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: St Mary Magdalene, Taunton, Somerset Civil Parish: Taunton St Mary Magdalene Country: England Street Address: 84 South Street, Taunton Marital status: Married Years Married: 8 Estimated Marriage Year: 1903 Occupation: Laundress Domestic Registration District Number: 305 Sub-registration District: Taunton ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 14244 Household Members: Name Age James Murrey 66 Sarah Murrey 69
Sarah Townsend in the 1901 England Census Name: Sarah Townsend Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Taunton Civil Parish: Taunton St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address: 81 South Street Registration District: Taunton Sub-registration District: Taunton ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: Piece: 2278 Folio: 127 Page Number: 36 Household Schedule Number: 248 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Townsend 58 - widow, laundress
Sarah Townsend in the 1891 England Census Name: Sarah Townsend Gender: Female Age: 48 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1843 Birth Place: Taunton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Taunton St Mary Magdalene Within Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Residence Place: Taunton St Mary Magdalene Within, Somerset, England Registration district: Taunton Sub registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen [ 81 South Street ] ED, Institution or Vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 1875 Folio: 108 Household Members Age Relationship Sarah Townsend 48 Head , widow
In 1881 she's with Annie and Reginald, as already posted.
So it seems she finally married Annie Ellen's father , James Murray/Murrey!
I don't see a Hooper/Townsend marriage.
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18 Nov 2021 15:23 |
In 1851 he has the middle name Butt/Bult.
He married in 1904 - a Sarah Townsend, nee Hooper - the same Sarah Hooper ??
James Butt Murrey in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914 Name: James Butt Murrey, widower, carpenter Gender: Male Age: 59 Birth Year: abt 1845 Marriage or Bann Date: 21 Apr 1904 Marriage Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton Father: John Batt Murrey, deceased, carpenter Spouse: Sarah Townsend , widow <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Father: William Hooper , deceased, mason <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
James's address: 84 South Street. Sarah's address: 81 South Street - same as Annie and Reginald in 1881. <<<<<
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18 Nov 2021 15:19 |
We shouldn't jump to conclusions - but that does sound good.
James Murrey was also in South Street, in 1861 and 1851, with his grandparents Peter and Ellen Murrey.
Possible birth ??
MURRAY, JAMES - GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 10 Page 499
In 1861, the Hooper family (in your post above) is the second household before the Murreys in South Street:
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18 Nov 2021 14:50 |
Trying to follow Sarah, I suspect this might be her...
1861 - South Street, Murreys Buildings Taunton, St. Mary Hooper William head 59 labourer Dunster, Somerset Mary Hooper wife 47 Tolland, Somerset Sarah Hooper dau U 19 Silk Throwster Taunton, St. James William Hooper son 16 labourer " Robert Hooper son 14 Baker " Elizabeth Hooper dau 11 Glover "
1851 - Surrey Square FreeCEN, Taunton St. James William 43 Dunster Mary 37 Tolland Mary Ann Hooper dau 12 silk winder Taunton Sarah Hooper 8 silk winder " William 6 scholar " Robert son 3 " Elizabeth 1 "
playing with the name Murray Hooper... I dont know if this is even relevant, but there is a James Murray 26 Carpenter b. Taunton, also in South Street in 1871.
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17 Nov 2021 23:46 |
The above popped up while I was searching for any later sign of this child below, in case she was possibly a sister of Annie Ellen - but there's no way of knowing without seeing the cert
HOOPER, MARY - GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 370
This is probably her death:
Deaths Dec 1866 Hooper Mary 0 Taunton 5c 243
There were also other illegitimate Hooper children registered in Taunton - eg - Henry, born 1863, died 1866. Also Ernest, registered 1st qr 1870, died late 1870.
This other child is NOT relevant to the Townsend problem:
HOOPER, JANE - GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 459
Her mother, also called Jane (per young Jane's baptism), of West Monkton, married James Berry in 1862 and is with him in later censuses.
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17 Nov 2021 22:08 |
Thank you for staying with this. I'll examine it more closely .
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17 Nov 2021 20:08 |
I came across this, which looks as if it should fit in somewhere. Big coincidence of names if it doesn't.
Annie Townsend in the 1871 England Census Name: Annie Townsend Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: 1846 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Taunton, Somerset, England Civil parish: St Mary Magdalene Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity Town: Taunton County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Taunton Sub-registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 44 Piece: 2371 Folio: 38 Page number: 11 Household Members Age Relationship Charles Hooper 24 Head, cordwainer, Taunton Emma Hooper 24 Wife, laundress, London Mary A Hooper 4 Daughter Sarah Hooper 1 Daughter Emma Trapnell 19 Boarder Annie Townsend 25 Boarder , dressmaker, unmarried
Address: 119 East Reach. Charles , with his parents & siblings is also at East Reach in 1861. He died in 1875 in Taunton.
HOOPER, SARAH mmn LUXTON GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 391
HOOPER, MARY ANN mmn LUXTON GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 410
Charles Hooper in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914 Name: Charles Hooper Gender: Male Age: 20 Birth Year: abt 1846 Marriage or Bann Date: 23 Oct 1866 Marriage Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton Father: John Hooper, painter Spouse: Emma Luxton
Address for both Charles and Emma is South Street. <<<<<<<<<<
Emma with daughters in 1891:
Emma Hooper in the 1891 England Census Name: Emma Hooper Gender: Female Age: 42 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1849 Child: Mary A Hooper Sarah Hooper Emma Hooper Birth Place: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Wilton Ecclesiastical parish: Wilton Residence Place: Taunton, Wilton, Somerset, England Registration district: Taunton Sub registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen ED, Institution or Vessel: 8 Neighbors: Piece: 1876 Folio: 50 Household Members Age Relationship Emma Hooper 42 Head Mary A Hooper 22 Daughter Sarah Hooper 21 Daughter Emma Hooper 13 Daughter
In 1881 she's with Mary Ann and a son Albert, 9.
HOOPER, ALBERT CHARLES mmn LUXTON GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 414
Daughter Emma born illegitimately, 3 years after Charles's death:
HOOPER, EMMA - GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 343
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17 Nov 2021 19:41 |
If you buy the 1864 birth cert for Annie Ellen Hooper it will tell you her mother's name.
I feel sure that's the right child.
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17 Nov 2021 17:23 |
So I'm back to... Who really is Annie Ellen Murray Hooper and mother
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17 Nov 2021 17:22 |
You deserve a medal, well spotted. I thought for a second that Sarah her mother had remarried, but that can't be, because she is with them &1880 :-S :-D
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17 Nov 2021 15:16 |
Oh, I see what happened.
The wrong parents' names were entered
This is the correct baptism:
Arthur Frederick Rooks in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 Name: Arthur Frederick Rooks Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1881 Baptism Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton Father: Frederick Rooks Mother: Sarah Rooks
Address: South Street.
But I don't understand how that could have happened!
Interesting -
Frederick and Sarah Rooks were the witnesses at Annie and Reginald's marriage in 1880.
They were their next-door neighbours in 1881. The Gills were at 81 South Street, and the Rooks at 80 South Street.
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17 Nov 2021 15:03 |
ErikaH -
Posted on page 4 - yesterday at 17:58.
Post copied here again for ease:
This record has been scored out of the baptismal register. In the margin it says "Error A S A" - whatever that means. I don't see any birth:
Arthur Frederick Gill in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 Name: Arthur Frederick Gill Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1881 Baptism Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton Father: Reginald Gill [ gas fitter ] Mother: Annie Gill
Address: South Street.
In 1881 census, Annie and Reginald are at 81 South Street - but no Arthur.
ADDED today:
A S A are the initials of the person (A S Altham) who performed ( or didn't?) the baptism.
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