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Gillikins,

There's nothing instant popping out at me- I need to look into it with a fresh head. I'll start again in the morning.

Thank you so much..I have similar problem

Still having trouble sorting this out. It seems strange that she would have reverted to Wilton- although I can't see her under cousins.

Violet's younger brother, Edward remained with surname Cousins,

Her half brother, Leonard, remained with his adopted Cousins surname.

Her sister Ellen/ Nellie married under surname Cousins-

so why would Violet be under Wilton?
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Do you have any details for Kathleen and Beatrice?

The 1911 for a Beatrice Irene Wilton that was posted on page one is not Beatrice Cousins. (Beatrice Irene Wilton was the daughter of Edward and Bessie Wilton)

Yes. I was thinking this myself, maybe Violet not Wilton. Or maybe some of them have died, or they are under adoptive names. I have no many nots from searches.

Looking back to 1901.. It is definitely them. Parents do forget where children are born, but I'm wondering if we have the correct births for some of the children.

The parents say Kathleen was born in Exeter. Birth of the boards is Bristol sepQ 1898.
Could she be Kate Harriet L Couzens b. Exeter 1898. This one shows in 1911 as being in Bristol.

Just received info .. Birth cert for Beatrice Cousins , 19th November 1898, 54 Preston street, Exeter, so 1901 admission wrong, parents given as Edward Thomas Cousins, Annie Cousins late Wilton, formerly Townsend.

Nothing else certain so far.

(lost the plot here!, but for some addresses, I have 'Ticks' as Viewed before for below..)

Chris :)


21 September 1895 - Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Exeter, Devon, England

ROW IN THE WEST QUARTER, EXETER.
At the Exeter Police-court yesterday Edward Thomas Cousins, labourer, formerly of Plymouth, but now Preston-street, Exeter, was charged on warrant with assaulting Lily Bees, neighbour, on the 16th inst. Complainant alleged ...”


27 November 1900 - Western Times - Exeter, Devon, England

CITY POLICE COURT.
Edward Cousins, labourer, of Smythen-street, was charged with creating disturbance on Stepcote-hill the previous evening...


13 November 1901 - Western Times - Exeter, Devon, England

EXETER DAY BY DAY.
Annie Cousins, of Preston-street, was summoned before the City Magistrates yesterday for using threats of personal violence towards Caroline Shapcott ...”

Chris! It makes a change- it's normally me :)

Gillikins- the 1898 Bristol birth for Kathleen is correct- it shows Mother's maiden name. The 1898 Exeter birth for Kate Couzens shows mother's maiden name is Roberts- so not your Kathleen.

Now we have the birth date for Beatrice I'll take another look.

Oh- is that a mistake for Beatrice Cousins- You said birth date was 19th November 1896, but Beatrice birth was registered in the first qtr of 1896:-

Birth:
COUSINS, BEATRICE (Mother's maiden name: TOWNSEND)
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 67

Or did you mean that was the birth date for Kathleen?

COUSINS, KATHLEEN (Mother's maiden name: TOWNSEND )
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 6

Just for information- the was another daughter, Elizabeth born in 1894:

COUSINS, ELIZABETH (Mother's maiden name: TOWNSEND)
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 281

Baptism:
name(s) Elizabeth Cousins
Birth date 21 Jan 1894
Baptism date 11 Feb 1894
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, St Saviour
Father's first name(s) Edwin Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Annie
County Devon
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Unfortunately she died in 1897 age just 3

Fantastic... This is definitely them, character of the family.. My INLAW will be delights. Can't thank you enough.

I've just been guessing marriages for Beatrice and Kathleen..

Could it be Beatrice cousins marriage, Exeter 1924 to victor H L Searle.
Was attracted to 1939 Annie B Searle (Freeman presume,M they have Frreman) b. 1896, Torquay, Devon. I don't have find my past.

Kathleen, wonder if she is Kate Cousens marriage to John Unwin, Exeter 1917.
A death for a person called Kathleen Unwin Birmingham, mar Q 1974 gives a birthdate 15.3.1898.... But if this was the Kate aforementioned, that would be wrong, as our Kathleen seems to be sepQ 1898 birth Bristol .

Amazing work, thanks

I'd already discounted the Beatrice/ Victor Searle marriage- can't remember why (it wasn't just the birth date)- I really need to make notes! I'll add if I remember :)

This is them in 1939- Beatrice birth is given as 1901:

13 Lower King's Avenue , Exeter C.B., Devon, England

Victor H D Scarle 09 Apr 1895 Male University Lecturer In Physics Married
Beatrice Scarle 03 Apr 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Frances Chow (Yih) 01 Jun 1916 Female Student Single
Jung Isang Zee 03 Dec 1921 Male Student Single

Mum in law has the birth certificate, with the correct parents as above. I HAVE ASKED AGAIN. She just replied 1896, but will double check, just in case the copy is hand written (so easy to misread). I think it was from GRO and they send photocopy don't they?

BIG THANKS.

It was handwritten 1895, but printed registration said 1896, thus the confusion. Probably registered 15 January 1896. Hope that's clear.

So Beatrice (only name) Cousins, 19th November 1895. Father Edward Thomas cousins, mother Annie, Wilton/Townsend., 54 Preston street, Exeter.

Yes- that sounds correct, a late 1895 birth registered in 1896.

And just to eliminate- the Kate Cousins/ John Unwin marriage is not correct either.

That Kate remarried in 1933 Loughborough to Walter Wortley- this is her in 1939:

115 Leicester Road , Shepshed U.D., Leicestershire, England

Walter Wortley 05 Jan 1884 Male Stone Quarrier - Heavy Worker Married
Kate Wortley 06 Jan 1891 Female House Work Unpaid Married
Albert Wortley 05 Nov 1934 Male At School Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Kathleen Smith (Unwin) 15 Apr 1924 Female Hosiery Transferrer Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

I'll be back onto it tomorrow :)

Nothing on Beatrice yet, but wondered if this was worth looking at for Kathleen.

I don't think the Kathleen Wilton in 1911 posted on page 1 living in Bath is correct. I suspect that is Cathleen Wilton, daughter of Albert & Selina.

However, if she did go by the name Wilton, then this could be her:

1911:
Name: Kathleen Wilton
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Kingston on Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Street address: Princess Louise Home For Children Girls), Kingston Hill Kingston, Kingston Upon Thames
Occupation: School Girl
Registration district: Kingston
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Then there is this marriage in 1917 in Ontario to Arthur A Hobrow. Kathleen is listed as 19 from Bristol and her parents are not known.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GBT4-NQN?i=839&cc=1784216

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The same couple in 1921- with children Kathleen & Violet:

Name Kathleen Hobrow
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Age 26
Birth Year abt 1895
Birth Place England
Relation to Head of House Wife
Spouse's Name Albert Hobrow
Father Birth Place England
Mother Birth Place England
Year of Immigration 1915
Racial or Tribal Origin English
Province or Territory Ontario
District Hamilton West
District Number 88
Sub-District Ward No 3
Sub-District Number 18
City, Town or Village Hamilton
Street or Township 6 Fanning
Municipality Ward 3
Occupation General
Income 725
Name Age
Albert Hobrow 28
Kathleen Hobrow 26
Kathleen Hobrow 3
Violes Hobrow 2

I have a good feeling about the above Kathleen- in 1922 Beatrice Wilton age 25 (born Devon) is travelling from Vermont to visit her sister Catherine Hobrow in Ontario.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DW-1Z9F?i=7625&cc=2185163

I believe the sister Catherine is the above Kathleen Wilton/ Hobrow.
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So it seems to fit:

The Kathleen WIlton that married Arthur Hobrow was the right age and born in Bristol and had a sister Beatrice- all matches info for Kathleen and Beatrice Cousins.

Sadly Kathleen died in 1926, aged just 28:

Death certificate here: (Gives DOB of June 18th 1897- I suspect this is 1 year out)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6GY6-4S?i=1333&cc=1307826

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=83307

(if her above AQ, just after that 1911 perhaps)

Chris :)

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=144313

(Beatrice?)

(can see Kathleen (Outgoing FMP) but not Beatrice, to check age)

Edits (yes, 1910 as Walton)

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=70692

Well found Chris- I think its very likely. - Especially for Beatrice as I don't see her on the 1911.

I did wonder if they'd travelled there as part of the Home Children scheme. I had family that were taken into care and taken to Canada.

Yes, looks like Home Children, Canada have good Records I believe...

Chris :)