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JudyLookingfor
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17 Jan 2017 23:35 |
If possible please, 2 lookups, both from Tarvin R.D, Cheshire, England
Gerrard household, Elizabeth A. Gerrard b. 1866
Formston household, Henry L, Jones b. 1863
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KathleenBell
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17 Jan 2017 23:37 |
Gerrard Household (2 People) Oak Villa Cuddington , Tarvin R.D., Cheshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Elizabeth A Gerrard 19 Dec 1866 Female School Teacher Retired Widowed 25 1 Herbert Gerrard 26 Sep 1904 Male Wheel Wright Single 25 2
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17 Jan 2017 23:39 |
Formston Household (2 People) Clutton Lodge Clutton , Tarvin R.D., Cheshire, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Henry L Jones 03 Feb 1863 Male Fruit Merchant Age Married 101 2 Annie M Formston 26 Sep 1906 Female Domestic Duties Married 101 1
***This transcription from Findmypast is incorrect. Henry L. Jones is living with Mary Jones, housewife, born 7th Aug. 1873.
Annie M. Formston is living next door with John G. Formston, Bailiff Agricultural College, at what looks like Crook Alderney Lodge.***
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JudyLookingfor
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17 Jan 2017 23:51 |
Thank you! Confirms Elizabeth as grandfather's sister, and her son. Typically, Jones not so clear but helpful all the same.
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KathleenBell
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17 Jan 2017 23:53 |
Have you noticed that I edited my post about Henry L. Jones. He is living with Mary Jones and NOT Annie M. Formston.
I have submitted corrections to Findmypast.
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JudyLookingfor
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18 Jan 2017 21:13 |
Yes and thank you very much.
Gerrard, originally Jones has been impossible to single out on BMDs, now I have her full birthdate. Hugely helpful.
I'll do some further looking into Henry L and Mary. Also very helpful if only to eliminate this one..
Judy
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Dea
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19 Jan 2017 09:24 |
This looks likely to be her birth but it doesn't show mothers maiden name which implies that she was probably a single lady:
JONES, ELIZABETH ANN - Order GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 179 ...................................
You say that she was your grandfather's sister - have you found his details and do you have him on any census?
Do you know his parents?
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19 Jan 2017 09:29 |
Seems the above may not be the one as I have found these baptisms which I think 'may' relate:
Baptism: 22 Mar 1863 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Henry Lloyd Jones - [Child] of John Lloyd Jones & Ellen Born: 3 Feb 1863 ***** (same as on 1939 reg !) Abode: Toxteth Park Occupation: Farmer Baptised by: W. R. Duncan, Curate Register: Baptisms 1862 - 1863, Page 236, Entry 1885 Source: LDS Film 93891
Baptism: 20 Jan 1867 St John the Baptist, Toxteth, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Ann Jones - [Child] of John Lloyd Jones & Ellen Abode: Essex Street Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: J. Hassall M. A. Vicar Register: Baptisms 1859 - 1871, Page 223, Entry 1779 Source: LDS Film 1546115
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Dea
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19 Jan 2017 12:13 |
Having followed them back through the census's - this seems to be the family although the places of birth are a bit confused:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 10, Falstaff Street, Kirkdale, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Jones Head Married Male 48 1833 Railway Porter North Wales Transcription Ellen Jones Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Ashton, Lancashire, England Transcription Henry L Jones Son Single Male 18 1863 Sales Man Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Transcription Elizabeth A Jones Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Pupil Teacher Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription Owen L Jones Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Wales
????????? Results: Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: JONES, OWEN LLOYD ELLISON Order GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 407
JONES, ELIZABETH ANN ELLISON Order GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 282
JONES, HENRY LLOYD ELLISON Order GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 374
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Tynyffrith, Llanfair Garthewin, St Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Jones Head - Male 48 1823 - Denbighshire, Wales Transcription Ellen Jones Wife - Female 40 1831 - Denbighshire, Wales Transcription Henry Jones Son - Male 8 1863 - Denbighshire, Wales Transcription Elizth Ann Jones Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Denbighshire, Wales Transcription Owen Jones Son - Male 2 1869 - Denbighshire, Wales
Have to go now but will work on it again later...............
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malyon
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19 Jan 2017 14:16 |
GERRARD, MAUD mother JONES GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in CHESTER Volume 08A Page 361
GERRARD, HERBERT mother JONES GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in CHESTER Volume 08A Page 352
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: GERRARD, EVA CONSTANCE JONES GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in CHESTER Volume 08A Page 392
eva died in 1904
Gerrard Eva Constance 4 Chester 8a 226
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malyon
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19 Jan 2017 14:33 |
could be her marriage Herbert her son was born in chester
Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
Gerrard Samuel Chester 8a 747 Jones Elizabeth Anne Chester 8a 747
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malyon
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19 Jan 2017 14:47 |
Name Samuel Gerrard Event Type Census Event Date 31 Mar 1901 Event Place Clutton, Cheshire, England County Cheshire Civil Parish Clutton Ecclesiastical Parish Farndon Sub-District Tattenhall Registration District Chester Gender Male Age 28 Occupation FARMER Relationship to Head of Household Head Birth Year (Estimated) 1873 Birthplace Utkinton, Cheshire Schedule Type 154 Page Number 29 Household Role Gender Age Birthplace Samuel Gerrard Head M 28 Utkinton, Cheshire Elizabeth Gerrard Wife F 34 Liverpool, Lancashire Eva C Gerrard Daughter F 1 Barton, Cheshire Martha Jones Servant F 12 Coddington, Cheshire
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malyon
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19 Jan 2017 14:59 |
could this be samuels death born 1873
Deaths Mar 1938 (>99%)
GERRARD Samuel 65 W. Cheshire 8a 548
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Dea
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19 Jan 2017 16:10 |
Can you come back to us Judy on your Henry and Elizabeth ?????
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malyon
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19 Jan 2017 16:49 |
is this henry's marriage
Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%) Jones Henry Lloyd Merthyr T 11a 984 LUMLEY Mary Merthyr T 11a 984
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malyon
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19 Jan 2017 16:51 |
Births Dec 1873 (>99%)
Lumley Mary Machynlleth 11b 165
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19 Jan 2017 18:06 |
Hi Judy.
Are you there ???
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JudyLookingfor
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19 Jan 2017 22:28 |
Wow! I am blown away at the amount and accuracy of the information you have provided.
Those are the correct censuses.
Ellison was the mother's maiden name for Henry, Elizabeth and Owen. John Lloyd Jones was the father. I have Owen's b.cert., (I have 4 incorrect certs for Henry) Looks like you have provided the path to the other two. With those I can confirm I have been searching the correct family. Where did you ever find it please? I've been looking for about a decade.
I have Elizabeth and Samuels marriage cert., their children's names birth and death quarters and Elizabeth and Samuel's death quarters.. (It was from the 1911 census for Henry (a niece, Norah) that I was able to follow the Gerrard connection).
Henry was still single on the 1911 census and living with his Mum, whose given name has changed from Ellen to Helen. The 1939 entry will not be so important if the birth info today leads me to his birth cert. Have had a look for marriages post 1911 census, nothing conclusive, most likely would have been Cheshire. Perhaps the only way to take Henry and his Mum forward from 1911 would be Electoral Rolls for their 1911 address. 8 Holly Terrace, Tilston, Malpas, Cheshire. Not possible from Canada (yet). I have a possible death for Helen (is that really her name?) age 90, in 1921.
My next step is to apply for the b. certs. If they confirm this is the correct family for Owen I will try again to find a marriage for the parents.
Can't thank you enough.
Judy
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malyon
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19 Jan 2017 23:17 |
found this marriage Marriages Dec 1875 ELLISON Harriett Burnley 8e 308 JONES John Lloyd Burnley 8e 308
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malyon
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19 Jan 2017 23:45 |
Henry Lloyd Jones England and Wales Census, 1911 birth:
Birkenhead, Cheshire residence: 1911 Tilston, Tilston Malpas, Cheshire, England
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