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London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name:Jemima Sophia Annie Veazey

Estimated birth year:abt 1845

Age:36

Spouse: Henry Smith

Spouse Age:39

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:26 Dec 1881

Parish:St Peter, Bethnal Green

Borough:Tower Hamlets

Father Name:George Veazey

Spouse Father:Henry Smith

Register Type:Parish Register

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census



59 Gunton Road Upp Clapton N E, St John At Hackney, London, England


Thomas Joseph Smith Head Married Male Boot Maker 36 1875 London

Agnes Mary Smith Wife Married Female - 27 1884 London Dalston

>>>>>>>>Thomas Henry Edward Smith Son - Male - 4 1907 London Hackney

Agnes Louisa Smith Daughter - Female - 3 1908 London Hackney

Marguerita Fawcet Boarder Single Female Nil 24 1887 London Westminster

National Probate Calendar

Jemima Sophia Annie Smith died 4th April 1915. 21 Church Crescent, Hackney.

Administration with Will to Thomas Joseph Smith, Leather seller

£125 11s 9d.

Is this possible? Not sure how you go back, although if the age is right it does give a birth year.


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1915 (>99%)
Smith Jemima S A 72 Hackney 1b 562 Scan available - click to view

I know I am clutching at straws Joonie but I just wondered 'exactly' what was written in that bible to be sure that this wasn't him.............

Dea x

very clever and possible Dea


but if the bible is clear about it being his 5th birthday in Nov 1912 ... it would not be a match for Thomas H E Smith ...


Births Dec 1906
Smith Thomas Henry E Hackney 1b 527

Name: Thomas Henry E Smith
Birth Date: 12 Nov 1906
Date of Registration: May 1988
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: London, Surrey
Volume: 11
Page: 1513

I keep looking back on the fact that you have said he was Thomas Henry Edward or Edwards ???

Could he have been Thomas Henry Edward Smith ? - How was it writen in the bible?

I did find this on 1939 although it is 1 year out but the day and month are correct :


Thomas H E Smith on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Smith Household (4 People) 59 Gunton Road , Hackney, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Thomas H E Smith 12 Nov 1906 Asst Manager Insurance Severity
Thomas J Smith 05 Feb 1875 Shoe Manufacturer, Heavy Worker
Agnes M Smith 15 Feb 1884 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Agnes L (Louisa Sophia) Smith 04 Feb 1908 Secretary Shorthand Typist


?????? - parents' marriage ??
Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
Coombs Frederick Charles Hackney 1b 868 Scan available - click to view
DRUMMOND Agnes Mary Hackney 1b 868 Scan available - click to view
Forward Emily Ethel Hackney 1b 868 Scan available - click to view
Smith Thomas Joseph Hackney 1b 868 Scan available - click to view


Father's birth ?
Births Mar 1875 (>99%)
SMITH Thomas Joseph Bethnal Green 1c 260 Scan available - click to view
SMITH Thomas Joseph Wandsworth 1d 566 Scan available - click to view

I can't follow the father back to a Jemima at the moment though ?

Dea x

I would not rule out the death AustinQ posted

Death
Name: Thomas Henry Edwards
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1907
Date of Registration: Jun 1981
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12 Page: 0345

it is not unusual for an older person born not long after the turn of the century to be vague on their birth date ... or for family members to be

and it's at least approaching the area where the bible ended up

unfortunately he doesn't show up in 1939 from what I can tell

1939 register - Had a look earlier
There's a
Thomas b 7 Nov in Lancs married to Alice M
Thomas born 29 Nov in West Brom also married to an Alice M
Thomas born 24 Nov in Newport, Mons married to Gwendoline

No Thomas H born 1907
No Thomas/Thomas H born 12 November 1907 +/- 2 years

Could have died, be out of country, or in Forces?

I don't have access to the FMP 1939 register.

Maybe someone can look to see if they can find a Thomas Henry Edwards born 12th Nov 1907

The parents of Alice Pickavance.......


Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
Bridge Ann Prescot 8b 985
Pickavance Peter Prescott 8b 985

??


Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
Edwards William Pontypridd 11a 891
Owen Annie Pontypridd 11a 891

Hello everyone.
His middle name is Henry and he was born on the 12th November

There is this one - with grandparents in the Pontypridd RD

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Caerlan Farm Penrhiwfer, Llantrisant, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Edwards Head Widower Male Farmer 79 1832 Llantrisant Glam
William Edwards Son Married Male Farmer Son Working In Farm 38 1873 Llantrisant Glam
Annie Edwards Daughter In Law Married Female - 38 1873 Penrhiwfer Glam
Thomas H Edwards Grandson - Male - 3 1908 Penrhiwfer Glam
Catherine J Edwards Granddaughter - Female - 2 1909 Penrhiwfer Glam
Edward Roberts Servant Single Male Farm Servant 18 1893 Llatrisant Glam

Archive reference RG14
Registration district Pontypridd
Registration district number 589
Enumeration district 9
District number -
Sub district Llantrisant
Sub district number 3
Census reference RG14PN32301 RG78PN1852 RD589 SD3 ED9 SN26
Piece number 32301
Folio -

William and Annie Edwards have been married 5 years with 2 children born and living

The Wrexam birth

Parents marriage....


Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Edwards Samuel Wrexham 11b 320
Roberts Sarah Jane Wrexham 11b 320

Think it might be easier to work backwards using exact DOB-

Death
Name: Thomas Henry Edwards
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1907
Date of Registration: Jun 1981
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12 Page: 0345

It's not the Prescot birth.......parents were....


Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
EDWARDS Thomas Henry Prescot 8b 1169
Pickavance Alice Prescot 8b 1169

So I think we can rule that one out.

Unless of course Grandmother was a Pickavance and then remarried a Smith.

Or, Thomas Henry's mother was Jemima and she remarried a Smith.

If his birth was registered with the H rather than was added at baptism for example, these are the Thomas H Edwards born in the right period. If you know the date in November that he was born you might be able to narrow it down to either the December Quarter births or the March Quarter birth

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
EDWARDS Thomas Henry Prescot 8b 770
EDWARDS Thomas Howell Pontypridd 11a 579
EDWARDS Thomas Hugh Wrexham 11b 244

Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Edwards Thomas Henry Pontypridd 11a 579

In either instance he should show as aged 3 in 1911 census

There are 11 births registered for a Thomas H Edwards in 1907.

If you can PM me his exact date of birth, it would help to narrow it down to the quarter

(Assuming his birth was in November...there are 3 births registered for that quarter)

Taking into consideration of course that he might not even have been born in England or Wales..

Hello. Thanks to anyone who can help, I have just sent this to Prickles

The book was given to Thomas on his 5th birthday in November 1912, his middle initial is H. The Bible is in very good condition. The Bible is just over 10 inches wide, 12 and a half inches high and 2 and a half thick. Its weight is just over 4.5Kg, its a big book. I was given 4 of them, two of the others are bigger. One of them was given as a 1st prize in 1888 to a woman for a recital. I have her name but no other details, so I know that book will never get back to the correct family. As I am unemployed, I only joined for a month to try and find the family, I think I was only given 50 credits to search so would be grateful for any help you can give. I hope that the correct family can be found one day so they can have the book.

Gerry