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Dea- at least you're not left wondering!

Can you just give her first name, so I know to cross her off my list please (if she's on it)

Ohhhh Bubbles !!!!!

Well, I did just have a lovely telephone conversation with an elderly lady who I thought was a daughter of Thomas Henry Edward but NOT SO, I am afraid.............

So, 'another one bites the dust' !!! :-(

Dea Xxx

I have just sent an e-mail to someone who I 'think' may be a direct descendant of Thomas Henry Edward.

I will let you know if I hear anything from them.

Dea x

Looks like Thomas' wife, Louisa, also died in a care home- just googled 33 Russell Hill, Purley (the address on the probate)

Bakmont House, Purley
Address: 33, Russell Hill
Postcode/City: CR8 2JB Purley
County: Greater London, England

"Assisted Living Homes For Old Age People With Luxury Lifestyle."

In the phonebook he's listed as T. H. E Smith 16 Burcott Road.

Was there anyone listed with him Austin ?

Dea x

1964/ 65 electoral register:

16 Burcott Road (which is next to Brighton Road):

Emily L Rogers
James Rogers
Louisa M Smith
Thomas H Smith

Before moving there he was living at 16 Burcott Road, Purley, Surrey. He's listed in the phonebook there from at least 1957 until 1980.

Just had a quick google- 16 Burcott Road is now a children's nursery

Also, I note from Thomas's probate posted by AustinQ that he died in Holmgrove House:


Probate:

SMITH Thomas Henry Edward of Flat 11 Holmgrove House, 11 Brighton Road, Purley, Surrey died 7 May 1988 Probate Winchester 29 September £95894

This property was established as a retiement home / sheltered accommodation in 1984 and still exists, perhaps it would be worthwhile contacting them to see if their records show any relatives' details?

http://www.housingcare.org/housing-care/facility-info-17683-holmgrove-house-purley-england.aspx

You can contact them by e-mail etc via the above page.

They may not be able to give you the details but may be willing to pass on your details to a relative so that they can contact you ?

Dea x

We need to establish if that marriage 1n 1940 for Thomas H. E Smith to Louisa M Rogers is the correct Thomas H E, so:


Her birth:
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
ROGERS Louisa M Newman Hackney 1b 862


Her parents' marriage:
Name: James Rogers - Cabinet maker
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Age: 27
Spouse: Emily Louisa Victoria Newman
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1910
Parish: St Barnabas, Homerton
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Joseph Rogers - Boot finisher
Spouse Father: Robert John Newman - Baker
Register Type: Parish Register

His address - 1 Balance Rd.
Her address - 16 Sedgewick St.

Witnesses - Robert John Newman, Elizabeth Notton.




1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Durrington Road, Hackney, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph W Rogers Head Married Male 40 1851 Boot Finisher Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Rogers Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Mary E Rogers Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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James Rogers Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Edward Rogers Son - Male 1 1890 - Homerton, Middlesex, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
29, Chevet Street, Hackney, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Rogers Head Married Male 50 1851 Boot Finisher St Luke's, Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Rogers Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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James Rogers Son Single Male 17 1884 Cabinet Maker Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
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Edward Rogers Son Single Male 11 1890 - Homerton, Middlesex, England




1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 Marsh Hill South East Hackney London N E, St John At Hackney, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Rogers Head Married Male Boot Finisher 60 1851 London St Lukes
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Elizabeth Rogers Wife Married Female - 60 1851 London Bethnal GN
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Mary Rogers Daughter Single Female Domestic Servant 30 1881 London Bethnal GN
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Mary (This is EDWARD !!) Rogers Son Single Male French Polisher 21 1890 -

Married 31 years - 4 children born (3 living + 1 has died)




Name: Joseph Rogers
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Age: 29
Spouse: Elizabeth Crew
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 May 1880
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Joseph Rogers
Spouse Father: George Crew
Register Type: Parish Register
We now need to try to find someone connected to this family to see if we can find out more.....................

I will take a further look.

Dea x

Hello Everyone
I do volunary work helping OAPs arount the house and gardens, I am out a lot of the time. When I get a chance, I have read with interest what has been said about the searching for this family. As I am new, and not done anything like this before, I am unable to help and feel a bit useless. I have given all the info I have and know. I can see the work that people have been doing for me. I am very grateful to everyone. A point will come when all the searching has been done, then I presume that I will have to try and find someone who is doing that family tree and make contact. With any luck, they may not live far away and I will be able to give them the book. If so, I will take a photo and upload . I may have to post the book. I do have a question, if no one is doing this family tree, I presume that I can't get the book back, are there notice boards to use if this is the case. On my way out now, will check later

Gerry

I see that Mary has said what I thought on reading the image:

that the inscription is not original to the time of the gift, and was added some time later.

Both the wording and the more modern handwriting suggest that to me.



(Andysmum would you edit to delete the names and birth reg info of people born in the 1940s who (at least the youngest three) are almost certainly still living and have not been informed they are being talked about here? It is invasive of their privacy to post that publicly.)

need to remember that mothers awaiting births in the war years were quite often sent into quite places away from air raid areas -- births may not be in the same areas as the marriage.

Mavis

I know the date is a few days off but I think this is the wife's death:

First name(s) LOUISA MARY
Last name SMITH
Gender Female
Birth day 15
Birth month 12
Birth year 1913
Death quarter 2
Death year 1994
District CROYDON
District number 2251B
Register number B72B
Entry number 269
Date of registration mm/yy 0694
County Surrey
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Probate:

SMITH Louisa Mary of Bakmont 33 Russell Hill Purley, Surrey died 12 June 1994 Probate Winchester 14 July £344829
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So- did they have children?

Possibly the wife of that marriage (just so we have age)


1939
Rogers Household (3 People) 66 Mayfield Road , Hackney, London, England

Louisa M Smith (Rogers) 18 Dec 1913 Female Shorthand Typist Switchboard Operator Single
James Rogers 23 Aug 1883 Male Vehicle Builder Bus Heavy Married
Emily L (V) Rogers 24 Apr 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Du Married

For some reason Louisa's crossed out and it states 'see page 16'

Well spotted Mavis- not sure how I missed that one!

I to think his surname was "Smith" he may have married



Name:
Thomas H E Smith

Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1940

Registration district:
Stoke Newington

Inferred County:
London, Greater London

Spouse:
Louisa M Rogers

Volume Number:
1b

Page Number:
984


Mavis

Sorry deleted message about Jemima's signature not being like the one on her marriage cert.
Also been trying to compare Thomas Joseph's signature on 1911 census to writing in the bible and to me it looks similar.

Maryb.

I did wonder if the year 1912 had been added at a different time?

I was thinking that too Mary but on the other hand I remember that when I was working, there was a lady there who had the most beautiful handwriting and if anyone wanted some special message written they would always ask her to do it for them.

It is possible that on such an important item as this bible, the same thing has happened here?

Dea x