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I have been looking for George on the 1861 census and interestingly, this looks to be him under the name of Saunders:-



Name: George Saunders
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Saunders
Gender: Male
Where born: Itteringham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Itteringham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: Common
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Aylsham
Sub-registration district: Eynsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 1205
Folio: 65
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Saunders 31
Mary Saunders 28 - born: Itteringham, Norfolk (1833)
Sarah Saunders 4
Martha Saunders 3
Caroline Saunders 1

Would love to know where this name comes from and why it keeps popping up.

Children are all noted under the name of Alexander:-

Name: Sarah Charlotte Alexander
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Aylsham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 77

Name: Martha Ann Alexander
Registration Year: 1858
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Aylsham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 69

Name: Caroline Alexander
Registration Year: 1859
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Aylsham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 79

Not sure if you are looking for Benjamin's wife's name or George's, but ......

This looks to be George's marriage:-

Marriages Sep 1856 (>99%)
Alexander George Aylsham 4b 139
BARWICK Abel Aylsham 4b 139
BARWICK Mary Aylsham 4b 139
Roofe Mary Ann Aylsham 4b 139

As Mary isn't shown on any censue records with a middle name, I would guess that her mmn is Barwick but you would need the cert. to be sure.

Just going through the 15 pages of Word file I see I already have the 1841 Census quoting Benjamin Alexander as the father so I just need to get his marriage to find his wifes name. Sorry, the little grey cells are in trouble again.....

No, its not the right family for George being born in 1834, from the 1871 census when his 2 Overton nephews are present.

Thinking about it some more, the info could be in the 1841 census as George would be only 6/7 and surely still at home? Itteringham is close to Aylsham, the district for Esther Elizabeth's marriage :-

Marriages Dec 1851
Overton John Aylsham
13 29

ALEXANDER Elizabeth Aylesham
13 29

Hi Catherine,
How can I refuse such a generous offer!

As you say, yesterday was most successful in finding the Overtons and I set them all out on a piece of paper before adding them to the tree. When I tried to repeat this method for the Alexanders I was unable to see Esther Elizabeths' parents. I have tried looking for brother George, Itteringham 1834 in IGI but nothing is coming up. Have you got your crystal ball to hand?

Many thanks,
Frances

You're very welcome Frances.

All the info we have found seems to fit together well, but I would advise buying a copy of the birth certificate of Emma, if it is her that you are following. I know that they are expensive but if you want your tree to be 100% correct then it's always best to confirm information found.

I'm just wondering why Benjamin Alexander was listed under the name of Saunders in the 1861 census. It may of course be an error on the enumerators part but I guess we'll never know.

Anything else that you need?

Hope you have a nice Christmas.
Regards Catherine

Thank you Chris and Catherine for all your extra posts. It has taken me half the morning to read and sort of comprehend and also copy into my Overton Word file, ready for putting in the tree - after going shopping at Aldi!

Sophia may have married john Thirtle's brother???

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
xxxxx Alexander Sophia Aylsham 13 29
BAXTER Robert Aylsham 13 29
Brett Benjamin Aylesham 13 29
Miller Charity Aylsham 13 29
xxxxx Thurtell William Aylsham 13 29
Wells Mary Aylsham 13 29

..................need to check that out.

EDIT:-
1851
Name: Sophia Thusle
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Thusle
Gender: Female
Where born: Buxton, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Itteringham
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: (Living next door but one to John and Elizabeth)
Occupation:
Registration district: Aylsham
Sub-registration district: Eynsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Piece: 1810
Folio: 267
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thusle 27
Sophia Thusle 30

1861
Name: Sophia Thistle
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: 1825
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Antingham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Beeston St Lawrence
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: House Servant
Registration district: Tunstead
Sub-registration district: Smallburgh
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 1198
Folio: 85
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Weeds Long 51
Elizabeth Long 61
William Thistle 37 - Ag.Lab.
Sophia Thistle 36

1871
Name: Sophia Hintte
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Hintte
Gender: Female
Where born: Buxton
Civil Parish: Itteringham
Town: Itteringham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Aylsham
Sub-registration district: Eynsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 1802
Folio: 77
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hintte 43
Sophia Hintte 52

Marriages Dec 1847 (>99%)
Alexander Eliza Anne Aylsham 13 32a
THIRTLE John Aylsham 13 32A


EDIT:- Ooops sorry Chris beat me to it.

Didn't read your post correctly Chris, sorry. Too busy trying to get something to eat for everyone as they come home.

(would say they were below Catherine, posted earlier)

Chris :)

Baptism
Norfolk
Place Itteringham
Church name St Mary
Register type
Register entry number 294
Baptism date 09 Aug 1840
Person forename Martha
Mother forename Elizabeth Anne
Mother surname ALEXANDER


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Itteringham
Church name St Mary
Register type
Register entry number 253
Baptism date 25 Sep 1836
Person forename Sarah Ann Jekyll
Mother forename Eliza Ann
Mother surname ALEXANDER


Marriages Dec 1847 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------
Alexander Eliza Anne Aylsham 13 32a
THIRTLE John Aylsham 13 32A

(Baptism Itteringham)
18/07/1847 John ALEXANDER Eliza Anne ALEXANDER

Going back to my 1851 census, the younger children are all missing :-

Sophie Alexander 23
Elizht Alexander 21
xxxxx Betsy Alexander 15
Sarah Alexander 5
Matha Alexander 10 Mo
Wm Alexander 1

Sophie is likely to be married and I am wondering if this is the others (apart from Betsy)

Name: Elizabeth Hurtle
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Hurtle
Gender: Female
Where born: Buxton, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Itteringham
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Aylsham
Sub-registration district: Eynsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1810
Folio: 267
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hurtle 31

Elizabeth Hurtle 29
Sarah ann Hurtle 15
Martha Hurtle 10
William Hurtle 9

John Hurtle 4

................they are all noted as being son or daughter but I am thinking that Elizabeth could well have taken her younger siblings in when her mother died?

05/07/1829 Robert George ALEXANDER Benjamin ALEXANDER Tailor Martha

(above looks to be first in Itteringham)

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/itteringham.htm

Chris :)

Interesting to see that there was also another child christened the same day as Sophia Ann-

Name Alice Ann Alexander
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 May 1819
Christening Place Buxton, Norfolk, England
Father's Name Benjamin Alexander
Mother's Name Martha

Thank you Catherine, you really have got the bit between your teeth - It's all great stuff

(could be below)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(and from below link posted earlier)

http://www.itteringham.com/history/itteringham-census-1841.html

Chris :)

Baptism
Norfolk
Place Itteringham
Church name St Mary
Register type
Register entry number 294
Baptism date 09 Aug 1840
Person forename Martha
Mother forename Elizabeth Anne
Mother surname ALEXANDER


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Itteringham
Church name St Mary
Register type
Register entry number 253
Baptism date 25 Sep 1836
Person forename Sarah Ann Jekyll
Mother forename Eliza Ann
Mother surname ALEXANDER


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Itteringham
Church name St Mary
Register type
Register entry number 288
Baptism date 08 Mar 1840
Person forename William
Mother forename Sophia
Mother surname ALEXANDER



County Norfolk
Place Buxton
Church name St Andrew
Register type TR
Register entry number 17
Marriage date 1815
Groom forename Benjamin
Groom surname ALEXANDER
Bride forename Martha
Bride surname HANNANT
Witness1 forename Mary
Witness1 surname RUST
Witness2 forename Francis
Witness2 surname FRANKLING


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Itteringham
Church name St Mary
Register type
Register entry number 423
Baptism date 07 Dec 1851
Person forename William Alexander
Father forename John
Father surname OVERTON
Father occupation Groom
Mother forename Elizabeth


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Itteringham
Church name St Mary
Register type
Register entry number 598
Baptism date 03 Sep 1865
Person forename Emma
Father forename John
Father surname OVERTON
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Elizabeth


Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
OVERTON Emma Aylsham 4b 77

(as said earlier, you need above!)

Off to eat now, but will look back later to see what you all think.

There is a possible death for a Martha Alexander:-

Deaths Sep 1840 (>99%)
ALEXANDER Martha Wisbech 14 102

Youngest daughter is also Martha:-
Births Sep 1840 (>99%)
Alexander Martha Aylsham 13 12
Alexander Martha Wisbech 14 142
ALEXANDER Martha Aylsham 13 32
ALEXANDER Martha Wisbech 14 247*

.............her birth is registered in both registration districts, so I would suggest that the mother died in child birth.

Sibling Sophie from 1841 census:-

Name Sophia Ann Alexander
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 May 1819
Christening Place Buxton, Norfolk, England
Father's Name Benjamin Alexander
Mother's Name Martha

...........which give her mother as Martha.

So "if" this is the correct family, then there's a chance that Elizabeth's mother was also Martha.

1841

Name: George Alexander
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Itteringham
Hundred: South Erpingham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Aylsham
Sub-registration district: Eynsford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 762
Book: 7
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Newj Alexander 44 (I think this should be Benj) occupation:- Taylor
George Alexander 13
Sophie Alexander 23
xxxxx Elizht Alexander 21
xxxxx Betsy Alexander 15
Sarah Alexander 5
Matha Alexander 10 Mo
Wm Alexander 1

1851 shows father's name as Benjamin:-

Name: George Alexander
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's name: Benjamin Alexander
Gender: Male
Where born: Itteringham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Itteringham
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Aylsham
Sub-registration district: Eynsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 1810
Folio: 268
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Alexander 32 born: London
George Alexander 21

........................and Benjamin's occupation is a Tailor !!!