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thank you so much that confirms I'm on the track of thre wrong Mabel, wll have to get wilfs birth cert.
Thanks for all your help
Jackie x

Ok, found Mabel and Thomas on 1911.....name correction submitted

So this Mabel didn't " run off " to be with Benjamin.....

1911 England Census
Name: Thomas George Eral
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dartmouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Mitcham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: No 4 Eveline Road, London Road, Mitcham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Chief Writer
Registration district: Croydon
Registration District Number: 39
Sub-registration district: Mitcham
Name Age
Thomas George Eral 33
Madel Eral 30
Mary Ethel Beatrice Eral 3/12
Catherine Thomas 23

Misty x

Just had another look, as far as I can see, the only thing (as you said) is to buy Wilfred's birth cert to find mothers name....

Not been able find Thomas George Osbourne and Mabel Earl on 1911census.

I did think maybe Wilfred was Thomas's child who was brought up by Benjamin but no, he was born in Wolverhampton.....

Also come back to Mabel's dob being 1872, as given by her on 1911 census, would she be that far out in knowing the correct year, she is obviously reasonably educated....big difference 1872 and 1880

Misty x

nudge

well if thats her she couldn't have been wilfs mom he was born in 1906 i,m more confused than ever
Jackie

For reference....is this the family your following?

1891 England Census
Name: Mabel Clarke
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John David Clarke.......Teacher
Mother's name: Ellen Clarke
Gender: Female
Where born: Warlingham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Warlingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Warlingham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Godstone
Sub-registration district: Godstone

Household Members:
Name Age
John David Clarke 36
Ellen Clarke 35
Mabel Clarke 10
Ethel Clarke 9
Elsie Clarke 9
William Clarke 8
Alfred Clarke 7

If so

1901 England Census
Name: Mabel Clarke
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Student Of College (Student)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Worlingham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington Second
Household Members:
Name Age
Mable Clarke 20

Misty x

Edit....no cant be!! can it.....


London, England, Marriages and Banns,
Name: Mabel Clarke
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 26
Spouse: Thomas George Osborne Earl
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Aug 1906
Parish: St Mary Magdalene, Peckham
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John David Clarke.......Schoolmaster
Spouse Father: Thomas Harris Earl
Register Type: Parish Register

she was christened in stalbridge dorset on 5/9/1880 her parents were john clark and ellen her father was born there also then on following census they lived in surry. the page for the other Ben is missing on the orginal census.
if they were not free to marry why? Ihaven't found any other marriages for either and as I said can not find Mabel on 1891 census any idea's
thank you for your help
Jackie

So are you thinking that this is your Benjamin.....

1911 England Census
Name: Benjamin Oldfield
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bilston, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: George Street, Ettingshall, Wolverhampton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Licensed Victualler
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Registration District Number: 369
Sub-registration district: Bilston
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 257
Piece: 17128
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Oldfield 34
Mabel Oldfield 39
Wilfred B Oldfield 4
Charlotte New 16

Census states Mabel was born Dorchester Dorset in 1872....where did you get Surrey from please...

The original image is signed by Mabel herself so as Rootgatherer said earlier, maybe they were not free to marry until 1917!!!

Misty x

thats ok easely done think the 1917 was right but wilfred was born 1906 but car'nt find another marriage for ben or mabel will have to get wilf's b/c to see if she was his mother she lived in surry but carn't see her on 1901 census when ben was in hampshire
Jackie x

Ever so sorry Jackie

this marriage is wrong...its Martha not Mabel, I read it wrong!!!

Marriages Sep 1903
Lowndes Martha Macclesfield 8a 278
OLDFIELD Benjamin Macclesfield 8a 278

Misty x

ok thanks for that, even more confused now there were loads of oldfields in gornal and bilston all related wish they had been more imaginable with the names
thanks again
Jackie

no luck
have benjamin on 1901 census but can not find mabel clark on 1901 have her on earlier census with her parents john and ellen living in surry can anyone else find her thanks

Hi Jackie.....

Looks as if there could be two Benjamin Oldfields


1901 England Census
Name: Benjamin Oldfield
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Aldershot Military in Stanhope and Wellington Lines
Ecclesiastical parish: Aldershot St Michael
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Aldershot
ED, institution, or vessel: Third Royal Northern Reserve Regiment Imperial Yeomanry Army Ordnance Corps
Name Age
Benjamin Oldfield 23

and......in the same place!!!!!!!

1901 England Census
Name: Benjamin Oldfield
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Aldershot Military in Stanhope and Wellington Lines
Ecclesiastical parish: Aldershot St Michael
County/Island: Hampshire
Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Aldershot
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Field Artillery

Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Oldfield 21

so.....

1911 England Census
Name: Benjamin Oldfield
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bilston, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: George Street, Ettingshall, Wolverhampton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Licensed Victualler
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Registration District Number: 369
Sub-registration district: Bilston
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Oldfield 34
Mabel Oldfield 39
Wilfred B Oldfield 4
Charlotte New 16

Married 9 yrs....could be this marriage.....

Marriages Sep 1903
Lowndes Martha Macclesfield 8a 278
OLDFIELD Benjamin Macclesfield 8a 278

and the other one.....

Marriages Dec 1917
Oldfield Benjamin Clarke Mable Wolverhampton 6b 1120

To be sure, you would have to get marriage certs

Misty x

thanks for that Ann will check them
Jackie

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Thank you both, mabel Clake was born in Surry/dorset but was christened in dorset but the family lived in surry

this is the family and it is ben I am trying to find out about thanks