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So that would tie into the death I posted on 1st sept for Mabel Georgina!!

Maryb

Blimey you two have been busy while i,ve been at work thank you both will have to digest all this in the morning thanks again, and I meant wilfs cert sorry
Jackie

Could be ??

1911 England Census
Name: Charles Clarke
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: West Wickham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: The Green, West Wickham, Beckenham, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer Bricklayer
Registration district: Bromley
Registration District Number: 42
Sub-registration district: Beckenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 3686
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Clarke 66....Mother
Charles Clarke 47.......Married but no sign of wife!!!
William Smallridge....Lodger

On the original it states Charles has been married 20 yrs and has no children,( it is then crossed out in red, presumably by the enumerator ).....which is a stroke of luck as it ties it in nicely with the marriage in 1890....

Name: Georgina Harriet Woodland
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 Feb 1872
Baptism Place: Winford Eagle, Dorset, England
Father: Woodland
Mother: Fanny
FHL Film Number: 1239263

Misty x

Still together in 1901

1901 England Census
Name: Georgina Clarke
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Charles Clarke
Birth Place: Dorchester, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Crookham
Ecclesiastical parish: Crookham Christchurch
Town: Crookham
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub-registration district: Odiham
Name Age
Charles Clarke 37
Georgina Clarke 30
Annie Woodland 14.....Niece

Misty x

I think that marriage certificate is called for.

I wonder if Mabel had lived with Ben for 9 years. My gut feeling is that Georgina changed her name to Mabel because she wasn't free to marry as she was still married to Charles Joseph Clark. Not seeing him and Georgina together on a census or even him on his own.

Sorry but I need to call it a night now but will look back tomorrow.

I leave it with you Misty x

Ah Rootgatherer...... I think you might just be thinking along the same lines as me, I keep coming back to the 1917 marriage in Wolverhampton!!

Mabel married Mr Clark/e "ran off" with Ben then married him 1917.....but can I find any evidence.....no!! maybe when on 1911 census she says nine years married, she is telling the truth but to Mr Clark/e!!

Misty x

Name: Georgiana Hanriet Woodland
Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 12 Oct 1890
Parish: Charminster
Spouse's Name: Charles Joseph Clark
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Charles Clark


No father given for Georgina



I am wondering if Georgina and Mabel are one and the same? Might be worth buying that Mabel Clark and Benjamin marriage certificate to see who Mabel names as her father.

Not seeing a death yet for Charles Joseph Clark.

1871

Name: Emma J Woodland
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Plush, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Wynford Eagle
Ecclesiastical parish: Salisbury
Town: Wynford Eagle
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Maiden Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 2013
Folio: 63
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Churchill 66
Sarah Churchill 56
Harriet Churchill 18
James Churchill 15
Thomas Woodland 5
Emma J Woodland 2
Henry Woodland 3
Frances A Woodland 1


Name: Emma Jane Woodland
Baptism Date: 18 Oct 1868
Baptism Place: Plush, Plush, Dorset, England
Father: William Woodland
Mother: Fanny Woodland
FHL Film Number: 2430515


Name: Francis Ann Woodland
Baptism Date: 28 Nov 1869
Baptism Place: Plush, Dorset, England
Father's Name: William Henry Woodland
Mother's name: Fanny Woodland


Name: Georgina Harriet Woodland
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 Feb 1872
Baptism Place: Winford Eagle, Dorset, England
Father: Woodland
Mother: Fanny
FHL Film Number: 1239263


Name: William Woodland
Registration Year: 1865
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Dorchester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 637
Records on Page:
Name
Fanny Churchill
William Woodland


According to a tree on Ancestry the father of the above children died in 1869?


William Henry Woodland

Birth: April 1844 (Apr 1844) - Dorset
Marriage: 13 Aug 1865 - Toller Fratrum, Dorset, England
Death: October 1869 (Oct 1869) - Dorchester, Dorset
Parents: Robert Woodland, Jane Diffey
Spouse: Fanny Churchill



Name: Fanny Woodland
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 3 Oct 1882
Parish: West Fordington
Father's Name: William Churchill
Spouse's Name: William George Francis
Spouse's Father's Name: Daniel Francis


1891

Name: Fanny Francis
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William G Francis
Gender: Female
Where born: Wynford Eagle, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Steepleton Iwerne
Ecclesiastical parish: Steepleton Iwerne
Town: Steepleton Iwerne
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Blandford
Sub-registration district: Blandford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1634
Folio: 134
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William G Francis 52
Fanny Francis 47
Elizabeth A Woodland 4 Granddaughter

Thanks Misty. I understand now :-)

So these are the Woodlands in the Name: Fanny Woodland
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Plush, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"
Marital Status: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Dorchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2111
Folio: 93
Page Number: 34


Also there

Name: Elizabeth Woodland
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Warmwell, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"


Name: Emma Woodland
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Plush, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"
Education:


Name: Georgina Woodland
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Wynford Eagle, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"

Mabel was the "wife" of Ben, mother to Wilfred B Oldfield, Jackie has just received the birth cert for Wilfred.

Jackie did say the cert she has was for Ben but I'm assuming that was just a name mix up, she did say she was ordering Wilfred's cert, hence thinking it's purely a name mix....

Misty x

Was she not the "wife" of Ben? Or was there also a son Ben that I've missed please?

Hi Jackie....hope you had a good holiday

How baffling, I cant find either a marriage nor a birth for her....

Does Wilfs birth cert state Ben and Mable were married, of course that could be easily lied about!!!

Is the address given the same one as on 1911 census ( George Street, Ettingshall, Wolverhampton )

Rootgatherer..... Birth place was taken from 1911 census, Mable states she was born 1872, Dorchester, Dorset

Misty x

So who was Wilf's mother please, if Ben's mother was Mabel Woodland? How do you know that Ben,s mother was born in Dorset?

Who was in the workhouse in 1881 please?

looks like some were in the workhouse in plush in 1881 but carn't find mabel

Hi Misty, been on hols so sorry haven't answered before got cert now Ben's mother was Mabel Woodland born in Dorset so was barking up the wrong tree with Clarke.
still can not find the marriage.
thanks chris also
Jackie

Also on site Chris put up......for Benjamin

HEN AND CHICKENS
25, (32), (32–33), George Street, (Hall Park Street), Priestfield, (New Village), (Ettingshall), BILSTON
1910-1912

OLD BOARS HEAD
88, (72), Church Street, BILSTON
1901-1910

Misty x

Benjamin Oldfield (1912 – 1916) Licensee BLANKMAKERS ARMS

http://www.longpull.co.uk/HBCPdownloads/HBCP%20Bilston%202.pdf

(looks like him above)

Chris :)

Was she actually Mabel Georgina born @ 1871 died June 1943 Cannock staffs??

Mabel Georgina Oldfield died 23/6/1943 of 31 Heath Gap Cannock staffs.
probate to Benjamin Oldfield a miner £164 10s 5d.

There is also a tree on Ancestry which says Benjamin at this address in 1929/1938.

Maryb

Your welcome Jackie,

At least you know your on the correct track now!!

I'm intrigued who Wilfred's mother was, like you, I have been unable to find a marriage for Benjamin c1902/3, maybe he and Mabel just lived together until later and the 1917 marriage is theirs.....

Would be good to know what the cert reveals once you have it.....

Misty x