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Name: George Woodland
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 15 Jun 1871
Parish: Stinsford
Father's Name: Robert Woodland
Spouse's Name: Julia Anna Russell Bane
Spouse's Father's Name: William Bane


Looks like George may have died and Julie remarried?

Name: Julia Hannah R Woodland
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Dorchester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 523

Records on Page:
Name
Julia Hannah R Woodland
Eliza Helen Brymer
Crawford James M Conybeare
John Groves Vencent


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Name: George Woodland
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Registration Year: 1875
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 24
Registration district: Dorchester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 243

Misty

This is the Elizabeth that was in the Workhouse at the same time as Fanny and her daughters

1881 England Census about Elizabeth Woodland
Name: Elizabeth Woodland
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Warmwell, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Fordington
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse"
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Dorchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2111
Folio: 94
Page Number: 36


And this looks like her baptism

Name: Elizabeth Jane Woodland
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1874
Baptism Place: Warmwell, Dorset, England
Father: George Woodland
Mother: Julia Hannah
FHL Film Number: 1239253
Reference ID: item 9 p 35

Hi folks.......I'm a little confused ( easily done tee hee)

Where does Williams brothers daughter figure in the mix, have I missed something.....as I read it all......

Fanny's children were......with husband who died 1869

William 1865
Henry 1867
Emma Jane 1868
Frances Ann1869

Fanny's children with unknown father were

Georgina Harriet 1872 ( who we believe "became"Mabel)
Elizabeth 1875 (this is who I think could be witness on Georgina's marriage cert to first husband.....which is available to view on Ancestry)

Ann Elizabeth is daughter of Emma Jane and unknown father, so granddaughter of Georgina....as on 1891 census and info added by Rootgatherer below....

What are your thoughts?

Misty x

Here's the granddaughter living with Fanny in 1891


Name: Ann Elizabeth Woodland
Baptism Date: 19 Aug 1886
Baptism Place: West Fordington, Dorset, England
Mother's name: Emma Woodland

Baptised in the Workhouse. Abode Charminster, same as Georgina gave on her marriage to Charles Joseph.




Name: Emma Jane Woodland
Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 22
Marriage or Bann Date: 5 May 1891
Parish: Iwerne Steepleton
Father's Name: William Woodland
Spouse's Name: Walter Philip Marshall


1911

1911 England Census about Emma Jane Marshall
Name: Emma Jane Marshall
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Plush, Dorset
Civil Parish: East Pennard
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address: East Pennard, Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 20
Estimated Marriage Year: 1891
Occupation: Letetr Carrier
Registration district: Shepton Mallet
Registration District Number: 312
Sub-registration district: Evercreech
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 14514
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Philip Marshall 42
Emma Jane Marshall 42
William Walter Henry Marshall 17
Gertrude Mary Marshall 14

Married 20 years, 4 children born, 4 living.

sorry misty must have read it wrong,Elizabeth was not fannys child she was william's brothers daughter.

georgina could'nt have been fanny's husbands because he was already dead when she was born, i will let you know wether it says single or widow rootsgatherer thanks for your help.
Jackie x

I think you will find that Georgina's birth certificate will imply that Fanny's husband is the father. On the baptism it only gives his surname. If you are going to spend money on a certificate I think Mabel's marriage certificate would be more interesting. I wonder if she stated widow or single......

Its Alice Woodward not Woodland 21ys born Dorchester, Dorset.

I would doubt very much Georgina's birth cert will show fathers name if her baptism and marriage cert don't ......I noticed witnesses on original marriage register were Elizabeth and Charles Francis, I wonder if they are her sister and hubby....

Come back to us if we can further assist in your research.....

Misty x

think we are agreed that Mabel was georgina we don't know who her father was so will get her birth cert in case it names him on there, fanny was on the 1871 census as a servant they had a son a bit younger than her so perhaps she seduced him lol. not one of us can find charles clarke's death so we don't know if she was a bigimist. perhaps we will never know as you say wonder if ben knew, as she got married as Mabel is that against the law? so she never told anyone her secret of who she really was, if only we could go back in time to see what really Happened.
thank you all so much at least I know more than Idid.
regards Jackie
ps on 1881 census when they were all in the workhouse there was a alice woodland age 21 if she was fannys child she must have been really young when she had her, the elizabeth is william's brothers child not fanny's. x

Closest I can find in any combination of his name, there are a couple of other C J Clarke's that might fit although none with 1864 as birth year......

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Charles J Clarke
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Mar 1924
Age at Death: 61
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 902

I don't know if you have seen this, original image shows marriage cert in register.

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Georgiana Hanriet Woodland
Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 12 Oct 1890
Parish: Charminster
Spouse's Name: Charles Joseph Clark
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Charles Clark

Misty x

Charles and Georgina living with Charles parents, Georgina is down a daughter instead of daughter in law....

1891 England Census
Name: Charles Clark
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Clark
Mother's name: Susan Clark
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: West Wickham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: West Wickham
County/Island: Kent
Registration district: Bromley
Joseph Clark 50
Susan Clark 49
Charles Clark 27
Rose Clark 24
Ellen Clark 24
Georgina Clark 21
Jane Clark 20
Harry Clark 18
Walter Clark 13

Misty x

Susannah Sarah Pleasance 1843 married Joseph Charles Clarke.
They had son Charles Joseph /Joseph Charles 1864 Norton Suffolk.

On the census returns in Whickam his name changes from Joseph to Charles,so maybe he died in the name of Joseph Charles Clarke!!

Maryb.

I've also searched Jackie, part of the problem being Clark/e is such a common name ( I know its my family name) and back then would she even have known of his death.....especially if he remained in Kent area, no children from the marriage to connect them...

Maybe she just thought 15yrs had passed and she felt "safe" it shall probably remain her secret....I do wonder if Ben knew though!!

Of no relevance at all but I wonder if this is his mothers death...

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Susan Clark
Birth Date: abt 1845
Date of Registration: Jun 1928
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 692

Misty x

still car'nt find a death for charles joseph clarke if he did die i think it must be between 1911 and 1916 because if mabel was going to commit bigamy she would have married Ben before 1917.
anyway thank you all for all your help misty, mary and rootsgatherer all your info has been enlightening thanks again
Jackie x

Thank you, rootgatherer frances ann had her father as william henry woodland on her marriage but no fathers name for georgina so must be half sisters,
Jackie

1911

Name: Frances Ann Francis
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Plush Buckland Newton, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Winterborne St Martin
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: Martinstown,Nr Dorchester
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Charwoman
Registration district: Dorchester
Registration District Number: 264
Sub-registration district: Maiden Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 12410
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Reginald Slade 23
Mary Maude Slade 28
Reginald Emily Mary Slade 6/12
Frances Ann Francis 41


1901

Name: Frances Ann Francis
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Albert J Francis
Birth Place: Plush, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Wyke Regis
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Wyke Regis
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Weymouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1992
Folio: 30
Page Number: 7
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert J Francis 28
Frances Ann Francis 31


1881

Name: Albert Francis
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Francis
Mother: Angelina Francis
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitfield, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Wynford Eagle
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Maiden Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2113
Folio: 61
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
William Francis 41
Angelina Francis 40
Henry Francis 20
Nathen Francis 18
Edward Francis 13
Harriett Francis 10
Albert Francis 8
Charles Francis 6
Ellen Francis 4
Arthur Francis 2


Name: Albert John Francis
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: Dorchester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 243

Did Francis Ann marry the son of her mother Fanny's second husband?

Name: Frances Ann Woodland
Birth Year: abt 1870
Age: 23
Marriage or Bann Date: 28 Sep 1893
Parish: Blandford Forum
Father's Name: William Woodland
Spouse's Name: Albert John Francis
Spouse's Father's Name: William Francis

Georgina and Frances Ann were sisters, or at very least half sisters as we don't know who fathered them as their Mum's husband had died in 1869. So children of Georgina and Frances Ann would be cousins.


It was Mary's post about the death of Mabel that I was trying to work back from as I know Mary is usually pretty accurate. If we have solved this conundrum, I think much of the credit belongs to Mary although good teamwork has to be recognised.

Well done Misty for finding Charles and Georgina in the census. Now can we find a death for Charles or did Mabel marry bigamously?

If georgina and frances ann were sisters then that would make Caz's dad and wilfred oldfield cousin's or is it that easy?
benjamin oldfield was in Hampshire in 1901 and Georgina lived there that could be how they meet?
Jackie

Hi Misty, have had a quick luck through all the info the adress on b/c is market st bilston, the tree on ancestry if it is caz then we have been getting together on this as her father lodged with the oldfields and thought wilf was her dads cousin but could not find the connection and the oldfields are my relatives. she seems to think that mabel was one of william henrys brothers children but I think you may be right about her being name georgina because one wilfs children had the middle name georgina, and yes mary is right about the death, she probaly just called herself Mabel if she is georgina then she was william nd fannys daughter have i got that right?
Jackie

Mary posted this earlier in the thread which would also tie in...

Was she actually Mabel Georgina born @ 1871 died June 1943 Cannock staffs??

Mabel Georgina Oldfield died 23/6/1943 of 31 Heath Gap Cannock staffs.
probate to Benjamin Oldfield a miner £164 10s 5d.

There is also a tree on Ancestry which says Benjamin at this address in 1929/1938.

Misty x

Edit...sorry Mary didn't see you had posted whilst I was c&ping your post....shall leave it here now for reference x