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We are only guessing, PP...................there is nothing so far to back-up the thought that this is the man being sought.

When Michael returns, we will have to hope that he provides something concrete on which to base searches...............

As was asked before what led you back to your Thomas Todd being born 1844?

What documentary evidence do you have for that birth year?

do you have the marriage cert to Sarah E Payne and does that give his actual age?

Roy

looks like same William in 1851, general merchant

1851 Wales Census about William Todd
Name: William Todd
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 2g
Piece: 2460
Folio: 208
Page Number: 18
Household Schedule Number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
William Todd 37
Catherine Todd 32
Edgar Todd 6
William Todd 2
Joie Todd 1 <<<<<<< Image is Ivor
John Jones 29
Margaret Phillips 13

1861 Wales Census about Thomas H Todd
Name: Thomas H Todd
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Aberdare
Town: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household Schedule Number: 167
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4065
Folio: 56
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
William Todd 47
William Todd 12
Ivor Todd 11
Thomas H Todd 5
Rachel Jones 23

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1871 Wales Census about Thos H Todd
Name: Thos H Todd
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare
Civil Parish: Aberdare
Town: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household Schedule Number: 88
Piece: 5407
Folio: 90
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
William Todd 56
Thos H Todd 15
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the marriage cert to Sarah should name HIS father if known

Thomas Todd 1844 Married Sarah E Payne 1862 In 1878 had a son Thomas Hopkin Todd 1880.
Thomas H Todd Married Lilian Francis White 1876 in 1904 had a son Leonard James Todd 1904
Leonard J Todd Married Phylis May Crane 1907 in 1926 had a son James Selwyn Todd 1931
James S Todd Married Margret Scannell 1933 in 1953 had a son Michael Leonard Todd 1958 Which is Me Regards MICHAEL

Thomas Hopkin Todd, "Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900"
Name: Thomas Hopkin Todd
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1879
Event Place: Hirwaun St. Llewrwg, Glamorgan, Wales
Address: 61 Station Rd
Age:
Occupation: Store Keeper
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Sarah Elizabeth
Spouse's Name:
Note:

If only to eliminate if Michael knows more recent history

1911 Wales Census about Thomas Hopkin Todd
Name: Thomas Hopkin Todd
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Herwain, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 12 Cumnock Terrace Adamsdown Cardiff
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Occupation: Timber Measurer
Registration District: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration District: Central Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household Schedule Number: 72
Piece: 32123
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hopkin Todd 31
Lilian Frances Todd 33
Leonard James Todd 6
Doris Lilian Todd 4
Irene May Todd 1
Clifford Todd 1 Day

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
Evans John Cardiff 11a 462
Hopkins Charles Henry Cardiff 11a 462
Todd Sarah Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 462
WILLIAMS Margaret Cardiff 11a 462

1891 census

Person: TODD, Thomas H Address: 48, Carlisle Street, Roath, Cardiff

HOPKINS, Charles Head Married M 32 1859 Locomotive Engine Driver
Neath, Monmouthshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Sarah Wife Married F 29 1862
Brecon, Hirwain VIEW
TODD, Thomas H Stepson M 11 1880 Scholar
Brecon, Hirwain VIEW
HOPKINS, Edith Daughter F 0 (2M) 1891
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW

1901 census

Person: TODD, Thomas H Address: 181, Moorland Street, Roath

HOPKINS, Charles H Head Married M 42 1859 Railway Engine Driver
Neath, Glamorganshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Sarah E Wife Married F 39 1862
Hirwain, Brecknockshire VIEW
TODD, Thomas H Step Son Single M 21 1880 Time Keeper Docks
Hirwain, Brecknockshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Edith A Daughter F 10 1891
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Gladys M Daughter F 4 1897
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW
HOPKINS, Wyndham J Son M 1 1900
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW
HOPKINS, William C Son M 0 (11 MOS) 1901
Cardiff, Glamorganshire VIEW

well spotted Reggie

81 Wales Census about Thomas Hopkin Todd
Name: Thomas Hopkin Todd
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hirwain, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Aberdare
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 61 Brecon Road
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5319
Folio: 98
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John A. Payne 53
Mary Payne 56
John Payne 22
Mary Ann Payne 16
Agnes Payne 14
Thomas Payne 7
John Andrew Payne 8
Thomas Hopkin Todd 2

Not quite sure why I'm doing this.......................it's probably not even remotely relevant.........

1911 census

Person: TODD, Thomas Hopkin Address: 12 Cumnock Terrace Moors Cardiff

TODD, Thomas Hopkin Head Married M 31 1880 Timber Measurer Glamorgan Kerwain VIEW
TODD, Lilian Frances Wife Married7 years F 33 1878 Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
TODD, Leonard James Son Single M 6 1905 School Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
TODD, Doris Lilian Daughter Single F 4 1907 Home Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
TODD, Irene May Daughter Single F 1 1910 Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
TODD, Clifford Son M 0 (1 DAY) 1911 Glamorgan Cardiff

I wonder where this child is in 1881?

Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
Todd Thomas Hopkin Merthyr T. 11a 455

He should be 'around'

Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
Evans Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 624
Jennette William Henry Cardiff 11a 624
Todd Thomas Hopkin Cardiff 11a 624
White Lily Frances Cardiff 11a 624

Are you sure you have the correct birth year?

based on the age of wife Sarah Elizabeth PAYNE as listed above by Rose this one is a possibility

Births Dec 1855
Todd Thomas Hopkin Merthyr T. 11a 293

as Reggie said how did you get back to a Thomas Todd born 1844 in Wales?

The birth certificate you have appears to be for this man

Births Jun 1844
Todd William Merthyr Tydfil 26 410


Roy

Going from Reggie's marriage entry

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
PAYNE Sarah Elizabeth Merthyr T 11a 355

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1881 Wales Census about Sarah E. Todd
Name: Sarah E. Todd
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Penderyn, Breconshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Penderyn
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Johns Row Cynon House
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: General Servant (Dom)
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration District: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5319
Folio: 35
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah E. Todd 19

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Not finding a birth in Wales for Thomas...are you sure he was born in Wales?

Do you know who he married?

This one married in the right area...................

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
GEEN John Merthyr T. 11a 519
JONES Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 519
PAYNE Sarah Elizabeth Merthyr Tydfil 11a 519
TODD Thomas Merthyr Tydfil 11a 519

1881 shows John Geen married to Elizabeth

Who were his parents? how did you get back to him cos not finding him on any census