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Ooohh!! well done Vera thanks for the 1881 census xx :-D :-D

Mmm I thought perhaps she didn't really know her fathers name and since Edward /Richard are similar she may well have got it wrong...But who is the Richard Humphrey "witness" to the marriage, that's the part which has thrown me, ever so slightly !! :-S

1881
Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
HUMPHRY, Edward Head Married M 22 1859 Metropolitan Fire Brigade (Munic)
Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Eliza Wife Married F 23 1858
Banstead, Surrey VIEW
Piece: 464
Folio: 84
Page: 8
Registration District: Stepney
Civil Parish: Ratcliff
Municipal Borough:
Address: 19, Broad Street, Ratcliff
County: London, Middlesex
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Regards Vera

Hi,
She said her father was Richard either because she didn't know it was Edward...or she didn't want to acknowledge that he was her father, because of what had happened between her mother and father. Only guessing!!.


Regards Vera

According to the marriage for Edward Humphrey in 1881 his occupation is "fire brigade" and the address was ----dale Street,, but I am unable to trace either of them at this address, I cant even find Edward in 1881 at all..

Hi Vera

According to various sources Emma Eliza's mother was Eliza Baker.... I do have the marriage between Edward and Eliza in 1881..Thats why I don't understand why daughter Emma Eliza Humphrey has said her father is Richard, and according to the marriage in 1912 Richard is still living and witnessed by a Richard Humphrey. .Her father Edward apparently left Emma with her mother around 1892-1894 (1894 is when Eliza Baker died) so Emma would have been very young and wouldn't have had much contact with her father??

Hi,
I have come in a bit late to this thread........it looks like her father could have been Richard...in answer to your question.
I have a question....was Baker Emmas mothers maiden name?



If it was...have found these marriages... not sure who married who yet !!!

Marriages Mar 1881 (>99%)
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BAKER Eliza Poplar 1c 731
DARBY Bertha Poplar 1c 731
HUMPHREY Edward Poplar 1c 731
REEVES Joseph Poplar 1c 731



Regards Vera

Gosh!! so many Emma Humphreys' The Emma Eliza Humphrey I have was born c1890, as she was aged 21 on her marriage to William Cant..It says her father is Richard Humphrey "labourer" and Williams is Henry Cant (dec) witnesses were Richard Cant and Ellen (Green) I think.. The story circulating is that Emmas mother Eliza Baker left her husband and went to live in the household of William Day (he registered her death in 1894) she took her son William but Edward found her and swopped William for Emma, and nothing was heard from father again, so I'm wondering where Richard fits in? Was Richard her brother?? Am I the only one who is seeing that the father listed is actually called "Richard" ?? and NOT Edward.
:-S

Also Ag Lab in 1891:


1891 England Census about Richard Humphrey
Name: Richard Humphrey
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Humphrey
Gender: Male
Where born: Brenchley, Kent, England

Civil parish: Brenchley
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Brenchley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tunbridge
Sub-registration district: Brenchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 683
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Humphrey 28
Emma Humphrey 26
George Humphrey 8
Richard Humphrey 6
Edward F Humphrey 4
William Humphrey 3
Catherine Humphrey 1

1901 Richard in Brenchley is a farm lab.

1901 England Census about Emma Humphrey
Name: Emma Humphrey
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard Humphrey
Mother's Name: Emma Humphrey
Gender: Female
Where born: Brenchley, Kent, England

Civil parish: East Farleigh
Ecclesiastical parish: East Farleigh St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: Loose
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Piece: 764
Folio: 86
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Humphrey 39
Emma Humphrey 35
Richard Humphrey 16
Edward Humphrey 14
William Humphrey 12
Catherine Humphrey 11
Emma Humphrey 9
Frank Humphrey 6
Alfred Humphrey 1

This is the only Emma Humphrey birth in Kent around that time apart from the Medway one who died. Brenchley's just a few miles away from Tunbridge:

Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Tunbridge 2a 704

EDIT:
But no middle name in either birth or death.

I like the Brenchley one.

This fits with a death.

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Emma Cant
Name: Emma Cant
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1891
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1981
Age at Death: 89
Registration district: Maidstone
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1409


Maureen

That Emma Elizabeth Humphrey born 1893 isn't the right one:

Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Elizabeth 5 Medway 2a 366

Here's the Cant family in 1901 (1891 & 1911 posted by Choccy above):


1901 England Census about Mary J Cant
Name: Mary J Cant
[Mary Jane Cole]
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Cant
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: Carisbrooke St John the Baptist
Town: Newport
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 239
Piece: 1021
Folio: 63
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Cant 57
Mary J Cant 45
Frederick Cant 21
G A Beck 23
Alice M Beck 20
Beatrice H Beck 18
William P D Cant 15 - actually RD on image, I think
Robert D W Cant 15
Ellen J E Cant 13
Arthur A J Cant 11
Amy W Cant 7
Lillian A Cant 5

birth index for 1911 above
Name:
Eliza Emma Humphrey
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1890
Registration district:Bromley
Inferred County:Kent
Volume:2a
Page:406

How about this birth

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Elizabeth Medway 2a 605

She could have changed her year of birth to appear as of full age instead of a minor.

Maybe Emma's birth??

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Elizabeth Medway 2a 605

1911

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Reg. District: Isle of Wight
Sub District: Newport
Parish: Newport
Enum. District: 6
Address: 22 New Street Newport I W
County: Hampshire


CANT, Mary Jane Head Widow F 55 1856 Newport
>>>>>>CANT, William Son M 25 1886 Labourer General Newport
CANT, Robert Son M 25 1886 Shop Assistant Newport
CANT, Arthur John Son M 19 1892 Labourer General Newport
CANT, Winifred Daughter F 17 1894 Domestic Servant Newport
CANT, Lillian Daughter F 15 1896 Newport
FREEMAN, Thomas William Son In Law Married M 32 1879 Stoker Harnsfield
FREEMAN, Beatrice Boarder Married
6 years F 27 1884 Newport
FREEMAN, Dorothy Granddaughter F 5 1906 Newport
FREEMAN, Winifred Daughter F 4 1907 Newport
FREEMAN, Beatrice Daughter F 3 1908 Newport
FREEMAN, William Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Newport

?1911

Name:
Eliza Emma Humphrey
Age in 1911:20
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1891
Relation to Head:
Daughter
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Bromley
Civil parish:Bromley
County/Island:Kent
Country:England
Street Address:47 Pope Road, Bromley, Common, Kent
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:Servant
Registration district:Bromley


Name:
Richard Humphrey
Age in 1911:
57
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1854
Relation to Head:
Head
Gender:
Male
Birth Place:
Bromley, Kent, England
Civil parish:
Bromley
County/Island:
Kent
Country:
England
Street Address:
47 Pope Road, Bromley, Common, Kent
Marital Status:
Married
Years Married:
22
Estimated Marriage Year:
1889
Occupation:
Bricklayer
Household Members:
Richard Humphrey 57
Mary Ann Humphrey 55
Eliza Emma Humphrey 20
Charlotte Doris Humphrey 14
Harriet Humphrey 84