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Where is the "Eliza" part coming into play? On her marriage cert-does it actually list her name as Emma Eliza? She doesn't seem to die (if we've got the correct one) as Emma E.

On the marriage cert-are any addresses given?

Have you been in contact with the other tree owners?

Sorry if any of these questions have been asked before. :-)

It certainly does look like she has been duplicated on the 1881 census........John Baker was her father his occupation was labourer...as on her marriage certificate.

Regards Vera

Thanks Vera, I note the 1881 census listing Edward and Eliza, and see that its the same couple who have just married since it lists Edward as being in the fire brigade, but I see another 1881 census listing Eliza Humphrey "married" aged 24 with her father John Baker.???? is it possible that Eliza was visiting just as the census were being done, and her area already done!! or is this a different Eliza?? :-S

1871
Looks like Frederick was his brother....


HUMPHRY, William Head M 42 1829 Kent Ag Lab.
HUMPHRY, Jane Wife F 37 1834 Kent VIEW
>>>>>>>>>HUMPHRY, Edward Son M 12 1859 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, James Son M 10 1861 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Frances Daughter F 9 1862 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Mary Ann Daughter F 7 1864 Kent VIEW
>>>>>>>HUMPHRY, Frederick Son M 4 1867 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Ezekiel Son M 3 1868 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Charles Son M 1 1870 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Ada Daughter F 0 1871 Kent VIEW
Piece: 921
Folio: 33
Page: 3
Registration District: Sevenoaks
Civil Parish: Seal
Municipal Borough:
Address: Bitchet, Lower, Seal
County: Kent




Regards Vera

1901

Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
HUMPHRIES, Edward Head Widower M 42 1859 General Laborer
Sevenoaks, Kent VIEW
HUMPHRIES, James Son Single M 17 1884 General Laborer
Poplar, London VIEW
HUMPHRIES, William Son Single M 16 1885 General Laborer
Poplar, London VIEW
Piece: 358
Folio: 48
Page: 25
Registration District: Poplar
Civil Parish: Poplar
Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Claude Street, Poplar
County: London



1911
married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
HUMPHREY, Edward Head Married M 53 1858 Labourer Sevenoke Kent VIEW
HUMPHREY, Sarah Ann Wife Married10 years F 43 1868 St George E VIEW
HUMPHREY, James Lodger Single M 26 1885 Labourer Poplar VIEW
TODD, Thomas Lodger Single M 23 1888 Poplar VIEW
TODD, Elizabeth Lodger Single F 20 1891 Poplar VIEW
TODD, Percy Visitor Single M 15 1896 Messenger Boy Poplar VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1740
Reference: RG14PN1740 RG78PN60 RD22 SD3 ED24 SN7
Registration District: Poplar
Sub District: Poplar
Enumeration District: 24
Parish: Poplar Borough
Address: 247 West Ferry Road Millwall London E
County: London
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Regards Vera

I have a marriage which has Edward Humphrey aged 42 widower to Sarah Ann Todd in 1901, his first wife (if its the correct wife, Eliza Baker died in 1894) he was listed as "driver"

Sorry, error on my part, just off nighthift..It was Richard Humphrey, not Cant...Did notice on both Edward Humphreys marriage ( first one to Eliza baker) his witness was Frederick Humphreys..

Checked births

William and James's parents from Poplar were Edward and Eliza.....although Edwards occupation was Labourer....not a fire fighter !!!

James 1890/1 father Edward and mother Agnes.



Regards Vera

Sorry had laptop trouble!!!!!!


1891 ????
Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
HUMPHRY, Edward Head Married M 31 1860
Sevenoaks, Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Agnes Wife Married F 29 1862 General Labourer
Isle of Dogs VIEW
HUMPHRY, James Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Isle of Dogs VIEW
HUMPHRY, William Son M 4 1887
Greenwich VIEW
HUMPHRY, Edward Son M 0 (7M) 1891
Greenwich VIEW
Piece: 511
Folio: 116
Page: 50
Registration District: Greenwich
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Caradoc Street, Greenwich
County: London



Regards Vera

Just checking - in an earlier post (at 08.53 today) you said the witness was Richard Cant, but I assume that was just a mistake?

Well you just never know argyllgran, she did have 2 other daughters Violet and Lillian, who she claims were William Humphrey, but she was living with a William Day in 1891 at the time..

Your nae the only one confused argyllgran, Emma's states her father was Richard, but he dumped her with the mother Eliza who died in 1894, this was Edward. The marriage says Edward and since Emma didn't have any contact with her father in over 20 years were assuming she has got the name mixed up, but yes your right, whos the witness then ??

Well, Nancy, there is no birth for Emma Humphrey in Kent in either of those years (on FreeBMD), with or without a middle name.

Is this a possibility? (Just playing devil's advocate!):

Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
Baker Emma Elham 2a 1027

She was Emma Eliza, haven't been able to trace a birth where it lists her mother, she was aged 20 on the 1911 census and then aged 21 on her marriage in 1912 so I'm guessing her birth would have been 1890 -1891
:-S

Yes Vera!! that looks like the very same Edward, he took his two sons James and William from his wife Eliza and left Emma...I did see another marriage for him to a Mrs Todd...But what do you think of the other 1881 census, surely cant be the same Eliza Humphreys, but my golly its frustrating..

These are the only Emma Humphrey births in Kent between 1887 and 1895. Which one do we think is hers? Obviously not the first two. The other two have already been posted as possibilities:

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Blanche Tunbridge 2a 712
Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
HUMPHREY Emma Jane Ticehurst 2b 119
Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Tunbridge 2a 704
Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Humphrey Emma Elizabeth Medway 2a 605

Oh my gosh, just seen another 1881 census listing Eliza Humphrey aged 24 married, living with her parents John Baker...Heeeelp

Now I'm confused!
Are we saying that the Emma born in Brenchley, with parents Richard and Emma in the censuses posted earlier is definitely not the right one?

She has brothers Richard and Edward.

Unfortunately just states Kent.....not very helpful.!!!


Regards Vera

Does it say where Edward was born??