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So, by 1911 he may have been a widow? Or it may not be the same person.

Come on Vonnie, there's always twists - this looks like an interesting family though!

Ah Boo! Ha! I don't think I'm ever going to continue that line ... it's such a shame as it's my absolute maternal line ... mother's mother's mother etc ... I would love to know if she was indeed Irish or just another military family . The fact that she was mentioned as Eleanor in Amelia's christening in Limerick makes me think so. And that Alexander met her whilst stationed there....... She certainly served him well , popping them out every year! And they died together at a ripe old age ... ahhh .

I'd come across some US civil war records for an Alexander Barber who had died c 1864, however I think this 1911 shows the son f Alexander Crickett:

DICKINSON, Elizabeth Head Widow F 55 1856 Boarding House Keeper Berwick on Tweed
DICKINSON, Ronald Fisher Mclaren Son Married M 32 1879 Iron Building Erector Queensferry Edinburgh
DICKINSON, Peter Mclaren Son Single M 29 1882 Bakers Traveller London Blackfrears
DICKENSON, William Henry Sheppherd Son Single M 19 1892 Bakers Traveller London Westminster VIEW
BARBER, Alexander Boarder Single M 75 1836 Army Pensioner Hova Scotea Canada <<
KELLY, Douglas Frank Boarder Single M 27 1884 General House Decorator London Lambeth
MCLAREN, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 8 1903 School Berwick on Tweed
NIGHTINGALE, Dorothy Adopted F 6 1905 School Aldershot

RG number: RG14 Piece: 1958
Reference: RG14PN1958 RG78PN69 RD25 SD1 ED16 SN313
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub District: Lambeth
Church Enumeration District: 16
Parish: Lambeth

Address: 25 Paris ST County: London

It says he's single but the boardinghouse keeper may not have known otherwise.

Afraid, there's nothing coming up in military marriages. It's possible that it may have been a civil marriage and registration didn't start in Ireland until 1845.

Possibly Samuel.
The Freeman index listed 1830 Alex Barber was nominated by his father Samuel, which I was thinking may be Alexander Cicketts father? I haven't been able to find anything down that line either....

Sorry Anne, can't post a link - it's on the Lancashire library online reference site - you have to register to use it (it's free though). But the article refers to Alec & his wife Mrs A J, Barber. (which will probably not be her initials, as women were often referred to with their husband's initials).

The article states there was a floral tribute from Alfred & his wife Nellie, but doesn't say they were there.

I'd also looked at Alexander with Sarah, and think they may be likely candidates.

Brilliant Flip! Thanks! I'm beginning to think the children born in Canada don't always put that on subsequent census. I've a few where they say Ipswich when I know they were Canada, unless it's other people filling it in of course that is the trouble.. too many options for errors!

I'm quite satisfied that we have found Alex Barber Junior he fits in nicely in a gap of their children .

As for the newspaper article .. again I think maybe some errors where made , I'm not going to get hung up on the eldest son bit.

Now I'm still totally stuck on A.C.B 's wife . Hellen Barber b 1810 Dublin nee Manning or possibly Manners?

Marie you don't have any ref to military weddings do you?
:-D

This might just be a coincidence:

Name: BARBER, Samuel
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:83rd Foot
Place : Halifax
Country: Canada
Year: 1837
Volume : 129
Page: 3
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Is there a link to the funeral notice?

I read Quoy's message slightly differently.
I assumed that by referring to the daughter in law as Mrs A J Barber , it would suggest she was a widow?
The same article seems to mention Alfred's wife as Nellie and not as Mrs Alfred Barber

Think I've found Sarah but not Eliza J:

Armed Forces registration event: Birth

Name: BARBER, Sarah
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 83rd Foot
Place: Kingston
Country: Canada
Year: 1839
Volume: 81
Page: 74
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Think you may have something MC. Any sign of Eliza J (c1835) or Sarah (c1840) - both were on 1851 census as born Canada?

Guys you are sooo good!
Yes Marie I think it is !

Thank you Flip that would be great. If we have found our Alex Junior His wife was Sarah. From 1871 census.

So is this the son's birth?

Armed Forces registration event: Birth

Name: BARBER, Alexander
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Station: Canada
Country: Canada
Year: 1836-1837
Page: 679
Record source: GRO Army Chaplains Birth Indices (1796 to 1880)


A different version gives the regiment which matches his father's:

Armed Forces registration event: Birth

Name: BARBER, Alexander
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 83rd Foot
Place: Halifax
Country: Canada
Year: 1837
Volume: 129
Page: 3
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

I've downloaded the funeral report, will try to pm it to you.

If it works you will see, John Pells - the executor was in the funeral procession, and sent floral tributes. Just because someone is an executor doesn't mean they inherited, they simply managed the affairs & distributed the estate.

I really doubt the Alfred posted on all those census returns, if he was the oldest it would make Alex far too young to be a soldier/freeman in 1857.

Vonnie - I guess the documents must be the same as you have. It lists the dates of his ranks but no detail of postings abroad.

It does say that he was discharged in Dublin 8 May 1847 and his main delbility appears to be chronic catarrh and his strength on the decline. This apparently started in Canada 1837-8, having served a total of 8 years in North America.

Thanks Marie, that's him. I have copies of his documents but I don't have details of his stations so that would be great!

The article regarding Alexander Crickett Barber's funeral in 1888 says there was a floraral tribute from his eldest son Alfred Barber & wife Nellie. It doesn't say they were at the funeral, but Alfred must have been still alive to send flowers.

It also states Alex & his wife Mrs A J Barber were in the funeral vehicle (can't remember the exact wording) following the open hearse carrying the coffin to Ipswich cemetry for burial.

Maybe none of the "chidren" were local to arrange his affairs, so he nominated his nephew - who may be related to the widow?

Ha ha! Me too... Alexander Barber ... born around 1830's
Eldest son of Alexander Crickett Barber b1808 d1888. Ipswich and Hellen Manning(Manners)b 1810 d1888.Dublin.

A. C. was in the army from 1825 stationed in Canada from 1834.
The first child I have for them was born in Dublin 1833 .She is the only Irish born we can find. So I feel Alex Jnr was born in this country possibly Ipswich c1830's. He also was a soldier.

British Army Service Records 1760-1915

First name(s): Alexander
Last name: BARBER
Calculated year of birth: 1807
Parish of birth: Ipswich
Town of birth: Ipswich
County of birth: Suffolk
Age at attestation: 18 years
Attestation date: 26 July 1825
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Quarter Mr Serjt
Discharge corps: 83rd Foot
Discharge soldier number: 323

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 923 / 43

... will have a look through and see where he was stationed, and when. Might give some info on children .....

im so lost now lol so who we looking for
PP :-D