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The article regarding Alexander Crickett Barber's funeral in 1888 says there was a floraral tribute from his eldest son Alfred Barber & wife Nellie. It doesn't say they were at the funeral, but Alfred must have been still alive to send flowers.

It also states Alex & his wife Mrs A J Barber were in the funeral vehicle (can't remember the exact wording) following the open hearse carrying the coffin to Ipswich cemetry for burial.

Maybe none of the "chidren" were local to arrange his affairs, so he nominated his nephew - who may be related to the widow?

Thanks Marie, that's him. I have copies of his documents but I don't have details of his stations so that would be great!

Vonnie - I guess the documents must be the same as you have. It lists the dates of his ranks but no detail of postings abroad.

It does say that he was discharged in Dublin 8 May 1847 and his main delbility appears to be chronic catarrh and his strength on the decline. This apparently started in Canada 1837-8, having served a total of 8 years in North America.

I've downloaded the funeral report, will try to pm it to you.

If it works you will see, John Pells - the executor was in the funeral procession, and sent floral tributes. Just because someone is an executor doesn't mean they inherited, they simply managed the affairs & distributed the estate.

I really doubt the Alfred posted on all those census returns, if he was the oldest it would make Alex far too young to be a soldier/freeman in 1857.

So is this the son's birth?

Armed Forces registration event: Birth

Name: BARBER, Alexander
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Station: Canada
Country: Canada
Year: 1836-1837
Page: 679
Record source: GRO Army Chaplains Birth Indices (1796 to 1880)


A different version gives the regiment which matches his father's:

Armed Forces registration event: Birth

Name: BARBER, Alexander
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 83rd Foot
Place: Halifax
Country: Canada
Year: 1837
Volume: 129
Page: 3
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Guys you are sooo good!
Yes Marie I think it is !

Thank you Flip that would be great. If we have found our Alex Junior His wife was Sarah. From 1871 census.

Think you may have something MC. Any sign of Eliza J (c1835) or Sarah (c1840) - both were on 1851 census as born Canada?

Think I've found Sarah but not Eliza J:

Armed Forces registration event: Birth

Name: BARBER, Sarah
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 83rd Foot
Place: Kingston
Country: Canada
Year: 1839
Volume: 81
Page: 74
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Is there a link to the funeral notice?

I read Quoy's message slightly differently.
I assumed that by referring to the daughter in law as Mrs A J Barber , it would suggest she was a widow?
The same article seems to mention Alfred's wife as Nellie and not as Mrs Alfred Barber

This might just be a coincidence:

Name: BARBER, Samuel
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:83rd Foot
Place : Halifax
Country: Canada
Year: 1837
Volume : 129
Page: 3
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Brilliant Flip! Thanks! I'm beginning to think the children born in Canada don't always put that on subsequent census. I've a few where they say Ipswich when I know they were Canada, unless it's other people filling it in of course that is the trouble.. too many options for errors!

I'm quite satisfied that we have found Alex Barber Junior he fits in nicely in a gap of their children .

As for the newspaper article .. again I think maybe some errors where made , I'm not going to get hung up on the eldest son bit.

Now I'm still totally stuck on A.C.B 's wife . Hellen Barber b 1810 Dublin nee Manning or possibly Manners?

Marie you don't have any ref to military weddings do you?
:-D

Sorry Anne, can't post a link - it's on the Lancashire library online reference site - you have to register to use it (it's free though). But the article refers to Alec & his wife Mrs A J, Barber. (which will probably not be her initials, as women were often referred to with their husband's initials).

The article states there was a floral tribute from Alfred & his wife Nellie, but doesn't say they were there.

I'd also looked at Alexander with Sarah, and think they may be likely candidates.

Possibly Samuel.
The Freeman index listed 1830 Alex Barber was nominated by his father Samuel, which I was thinking may be Alexander Cicketts father? I haven't been able to find anything down that line either....

Afraid, there's nothing coming up in military marriages. It's possible that it may have been a civil marriage and registration didn't start in Ireland until 1845.

I'd come across some US civil war records for an Alexander Barber who had died c 1864, however I think this 1911 shows the son f Alexander Crickett:

DICKINSON, Elizabeth Head Widow F 55 1856 Boarding House Keeper Berwick on Tweed
DICKINSON, Ronald Fisher Mclaren Son Married M 32 1879 Iron Building Erector Queensferry Edinburgh
DICKINSON, Peter Mclaren Son Single M 29 1882 Bakers Traveller London Blackfrears
DICKENSON, William Henry Sheppherd Son Single M 19 1892 Bakers Traveller London Westminster VIEW
BARBER, Alexander Boarder Single M 75 1836 Army Pensioner Hova Scotea Canada <<
KELLY, Douglas Frank Boarder Single M 27 1884 General House Decorator London Lambeth
MCLAREN, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 8 1903 School Berwick on Tweed
NIGHTINGALE, Dorothy Adopted F 6 1905 School Aldershot

RG number: RG14 Piece: 1958
Reference: RG14PN1958 RG78PN69 RD25 SD1 ED16 SN313
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub District: Lambeth
Church Enumeration District: 16
Parish: Lambeth

Address: 25 Paris ST County: London

It says he's single but the boardinghouse keeper may not have known otherwise.

Ah Boo! Ha! I don't think I'm ever going to continue that line ... it's such a shame as it's my absolute maternal line ... mother's mother's mother etc ... I would love to know if she was indeed Irish or just another military family . The fact that she was mentioned as Eleanor in Amelia's christening in Limerick makes me think so. And that Alexander met her whilst stationed there....... She certainly served him well , popping them out every year! And they died together at a ripe old age ... ahhh .

So, by 1911 he may have been a widow? Or it may not be the same person.

Come on Vonnie, there's always twists - this looks like an interesting family though!

This possibly the death linked to the 1911

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Alexander Barber Name: Alexander Barber
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 312 (click to see others on page)

I wondered about this one. He is lodging with a widower but no status given for Alexander.

1881 England Census
about Alexander Barber Name: Alexander Barber
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: (...), North America

Civil parish: St Giles in the Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 55 Neal St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Clerk

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 322
Folio: 108
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
John T. Brock 46
Alexander Barber 45

Vera

Thank You to Flip for the article.
I see it now..... "Deceased's son Alec Barber, Mrs A J Barber" ( daughter in law)"

This does not necessarily mean that Alec and Mrs A.J were husband and wife..

Doesn't it Flip!

The daughter Sarah married and Army man also and he was from a family born all over the Empire, Fascinating.