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Charles's twin brother Samuel emigrated to USA in 1885 on the vessel Baltic arriving in New York 03/0/85 Just wondered if Charles had followed him. That is of course if I have the correct information for Samuel

Pauline - I've looked through the USA 1900 census, but am unable to find any of the family I mentioned earlier. That is - Charles, Martha/Rose, T.W. and M.A. Hodgekinson.

So I'm wondering if this family also left the USA between 1888 and 1900.

I think it's quite a coincidence, despite the birthdate of M.A. being 2 years out.

Have you been able to find Mary Alice after 1901, to see whereabouts she was born? Or maybe the first M.A. died and they had Mary Alice later.

HeyJudeB4Beatles don't think for one moment you are not doing a first rate job - I really appreciate everything.

Marieceleste

So sorry I am a bit unsure as to how to reply to and I think I clicked on the wrong thing and possibly knocked Batman I am so sorry. I have been replying to you but I think the replies must be going to your e-mail account, I have just found the @add your reply@ at the bottom of this thread so here hoping I have go it right. I am as I have said sifting through all the information - some I already knew (it is always good to know that I have got the right infor myself) but don't let that put anyone off because I am so grateful for all the information. Also as I come accross your replies I am trying to look up the information myself especially regarding Mary Alice I don't know she existed. My searches as hampered also because all my mother's (Minnie's daughter) have died so again thank you.

Thank you for all your help, I am just sifting through all the replys so far. I am amazed at the size of the response!!!

ChristianaS and Janice both have given me some further information:- Charles Hodgkinson returned to Liverpool on the ADRIA ion 2nd October 1898 aged 33yrs and as a labourer. He brought 3 children back:-
Mary Alice aged 8, Charles Wilfred aged 6 and Minnie aged 1/2 Minnie's birthday is 14/09/1897 so she would have been just over a year old when they arrived back in Liverpool. All three children are USA/British and both Charles and Minnie born in Baltimore Maryland. My nan was quite proud of being born in Baltimore bless her.Charles married Margaret Kirfoot on the 05/04/1899. By 1901 census Charles and Minnie in Chorley work house (paupers) and Mary Alice in Ophanage aged 10yrs. Why they were split up I don't know I didn't know of Mary's existence until ChristinaS and Janice gave me the information. I do know that in the 1911 census Minnie @ 13yrs was a patient in the City of Liverpool Infectious deseases hospital in Fazakeley. (place of birth Philadelphia USA?) I think they have got mixed up with the birth place and departure place. Unfortunately my nan and indeed all my mothers familty never talked about family history so I have had to piece each bit to the other. I really hope you can help me further and I do so thank you for all your help thus far. Kind Regards Pauline

Pauline, I know we are not having much success in finding your great-grandmother but could you please reply to us on the thread?

Also you have marked Batman's daughter's 1871 census post as answered - which marks the whole thread as answered. So anyone looking who has not already contributed will not bother looking for the real answer you are after because they will think it has already been found :-(

Long shot for Mary Alice in 1911

Name: Elsie Alice Hodgkinson
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: United States
Civil parish: Accrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Johns Vicarage, Accrington
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Servant Domestic
Registration district: Haslingden
Registration District Number: 471
Sub-registration district: Accrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Household schedule number: 224
Piece: 24777
Household Members:
Name Age
James William Wilkinson 46
Annie Wilkinson 46
Alice Marione Wilkinson 6
Florence Gertrude Salisbury 21
Elsie Alice Hodgkinson 20
Mary Tettrey 52
Ellen Grace Pakes

could be a possibility thats her marriage what about a death have you tried that

I have tried searching without surname in 1911 in case she was adopted/taken in by a family and took their name but to no avail.

Even wondered if she might have gone back to America but not finding her

Marriage of Hoskinson looks a possibility but it is coming up as Hoskinson but it IS Mary Alice


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1912
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WALSH Henry HOSKINSON Mary Alice Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RO/38/161

ok lol im losing the plot here i cant seem to find her in 1911 either :-D

That's posted earlier PP but it's not as nicely set out :-)

Can't find her in 1911 though

this looks like mary alice in 1901

1901 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address Rock Villa Mansion
Civil Parish Whittle Le Woods
Rural District Chorley
Town or Village or Hamlet Whittle Le Woods
Ecclesiastical Parish Whittle Le Woods St John
Parliamentary Borough or Division Chorley North Lancashire
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Lancaster

Householder 1
Name Sarah A Chatwyn
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 5
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Bury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Ada Alice Dean
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Matron In Home For Orphans
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Flixton Mancts
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Jessie Drake
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 8
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Maude Drake
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 6
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity

Householder 5
Name Susan Griffiths
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Doing General Housework
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Liverpool
Language
Infirmity

Householder 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
Name Mary A Hodgkinson
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 10
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born U S A Brittish Subject
Language
Infirmity

Householder 7
Name Isabel Olkam
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 10
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Manchester
Language
Infirmity

Householder 8
Name Amelia Pilkinson
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 9
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Chorley
Language
Infirmity

possible marriage for mary alice


Marriage Record Name Mary A Hoskinson
Year of Marriage 1912
Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Chorley
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Walsh
Volume Number 8E
Volume Page 1216

Spouse Match: Mary A HOSKINSON married Henry WALSH

Name Henry Walsh
Year of Marriage 1912
Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Chorley
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Hoskinson
Volume Number 8E
Volume Page 1216

I know it's not what you're after but here she is in 1901

Name: Blodwen Perkins
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Williams Perkins
Mother's Name: Catherine Perkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Stonehouse, Devon, England
Civil parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 358
Piece: 2099
Folio: 26
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Williams Perkins 37
Catherine Perkins 28
William Perkins 10
John Perkins 5
Blodwen Perkins 3

For interest

Charles Wilfred

Name: Charles W Hodgkinson
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Arrival Port: Pacific Highway, British Columbia
Date of Arrival: 23 Jan 1932
Birth Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Gender: Male
Citizenship: American

Wife born Stonehouse Devon in 1898

There's also this one on the West Virginia Births Index

Name: T.W. Hodgkinson
Birth date: 15 Jul 1887

Father's name: Chas. Hodgkinson
Age: 23
Birth place: Lancasshire, Eng

Morther's name: Martha R. Griffith Hodgkinson
Age: 26

I was hoping to find Mary A. on the 1911 census, to find out whereabouts she was born, but I can't.

Has anyone else managed to find her?

Does anyone know how to order old birth certificates from the U.S.A?

There doesn't seem to be any useful information on Google.

This is a couple of years out on the birth year, but it's the only thing I can find on a possible mother, so it may be worth looking at.

Hopefully, someone more capable than myself will copy and paste this.

West Virginia Births Index

Name: M.A. Hodgkinson
Birth date: 5 Nov 1888

Father's name: Charles Hodgkinson
Age: 24
Birth place: Lancastor County, Eng

Mother's name: Rose Griffith Hodgkinson
Age: 27
Birth place: Clarke County, VA

1891 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 44, Ashfield Road
Parish Chorley
District Chorley, Chorley
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Thomas Hodgkinson
Age 51
Estimated Year of Birth 1840
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Accountant and Insurance Agent
Birth Place Whittle
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Ellen Hodgkinson
Age 49
Estimated Year of Birth 1842
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 3
Name Ada Alice Hodgkinson
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Dressmaker
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 4
Name Adelina M Hodgkinson
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Milliner
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 5
Name Anne Hodgkinson
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Ellen Hodgkinson
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1880
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 7
Name Emily Hodgkinson
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hindley
Birth County Lancashire

It seems likely it is Chorley Charles and as Mary Alice was born in USA in 1890, Charles in 1892 and Minnie in 1897 that he emigrated somethime after 1881 and sometime before 1890

He seems to go from a specialised trade of frame maker to labourer though?

Can't find an emigration though