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There's a possible marriage surname Lewis too which is tempting as it's Edward's middle name. Can't find a Rachel Lewis born in the right place though. Looks like Edward's birth cert is definitely required.

1871 again with Rachel as the search person:

Name: Rachel Jones
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Jones
Gender: Female
>>>>>>>>>>>>Where born: Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Dowlais
Town: [Heolwermud]
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil

Thomas Jones 36
Rachel Jones 31
Margaret Jones 9
Harriet Jones 4

Hmm, she has a different birthplace again in 1881!

Name: Rachel Jones
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Jones
Gender: Female
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where born: Abersychan, Monmouth, Wales

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 2 Banwen
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil

Thomas Jones 47
Rachel Jones 41 born Abersychan, Monmouth
Harriet Jones 13
Edward Lewis Jones 6

Stupid me! Yes of course - should concentrate instead of being distracted by the Olympics!! Vivien needs to get one of those birth certs then we'll be absolutely certain.

Will have another scout round the censuses for suspects :-)

I am also getting tired now but would she have been a Jones at birth ???

I was looking towards her possibly being a 'Davies/Davis ' ??

Dea x

Yes, just looked again at 1911 and edited it with Rachel's place of birth given there which is different to the other census.

It is the 1851 I am not yet sure about .

Dea Xxx

Rachel is still alive in 1911

Name: Harriet Jones
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 35 Market St Dowlais
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Assistant Teacher School
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Registration District Number: 590
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil

Rachel Jones 71 born Rhymney, Monmouthshire
Harriet Jones 40
Edward Lewis Jones 37
Maggi Ellen EVANS 13 grandchild - was mistranscribed on Ancestry
Gwlady M EVANS 11 grandchild

Which one? The 1901 or 1851?

The 1901 matches your 1891 family - same street and harriet a teacher. Harriet's age seems to be a bit flexible however!

Janice

Not so sure about that one Janet - I think we are going astray ?

I think we need some feedback from Vivien - I will send her an e-mail..

Dea x

Possible parents for Rachel: EDIT - IGNORE: WRONG SURNAME

RE-EDIT not the wrong name now.

1851

Name: Rachel Jones
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward Jones ******image says Richard
Mother's Name: Anne Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Dowlais
Town: Dowlais
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil

Edward Jones 46 ******
Anne Jones 49
Henry Jones 23
William Jones 22
Elizabeth Jones 19
David Jones 16
Rachel Jones 11
Thomas Jones 8
Mary Howell 1

Thomas Jones died before the 1901 census:

Name: Rachel Jones
Age in 1901: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Dowlais St John
Town: Dowlais
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Rachel Jones 61
Harriet Jones 29

Rachel is at 35 Market St, Merthyr running a china shop.

Looks interesting Janice !!

Dea x

P.S. - Just doing tea - will be back soon.

Dea x

What do you think of this one for 1891?

Name: David Jones
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Brecon, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llantwitfardre
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Pontypridd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Llantrisant

David Jones 32 - a timberman
Elizabeth Jones 30 wife
Mary Sullivan 39 lodger

There are 3 births reg'd in Hay which is the district for Talgarth:

Births Mar 1859
JONES David Hay 11b 144
Births Mar 1862
JONES David Hay 11b 184
Births Jun 1862
JONES David Hay 11b 153

The middle one is written in italics so may be dodgy.

Do we know anything more about David's first marriage?
When/where/any children?

I have a feeling it is Davies, though I haven't explored it properly yet !

Having difficulty with David !

Can Vivien post all the details from the marriage cert please, including witnesses etc. ?

ALSO, what is known about David's brother Edward.

Dea x

Here's the birth of that son

Births Dec 1874
JONES Edward Lewis Merthyr T. 11a 454

so the cert will give Rachel's maiden name.

Added: there are a few possible marriages so the cert will be needed I think. Possible surnames are Davies and Edwards lol!!

Thank you Janice.

That's 'her' sorted then - I will take a look at David.........................

Dea x

Well done Dea :-D :-D :-D