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Hi Maryb

I agree, so I "trawled" around the area a bit and found the (potential) Mildmay connection (but am not 100% convinced), I also thought about the places people might be born - example, my g.grandparents and grandparents were at private addresses, my parents (1930's) in the local hospital. So as it was 1936 it seems like it could be a hospital - or I wonder if there was some convalescing aspect to Tudor House in the 1930's. Still intrigued as Burma Road is not far from Newington Green, so my question is why at Tudor House and not at home in Burma Road - or a hospital that is definitely a hospital. Anything for a clue!

Janet

Just another thought. Are you in contact with other descendents of Elizabeth and Effie Watkins? A long shot but sometimes family stories are passed down, and if you are very lucky, there might be a clue or two. Clutching at straws I know! It occurs to me because my father was orphaned when he was 10, and all contact with one branch of his family was lost. However, when I found family members (some 70 years after this!) they knew the story of the orphaned children. So you never know.

Effie's details if you don't have them - there seem to be a few possible offspring to both these marriages:

Name: Effie C Watkins
Spouse: Ansell
Marriage: Mar 1923 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, Somerset
Other: QJan-Jan-Feb-Mar 1923

Name: Effie C Ansell
Spouse Surname: Gaule
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1937
Registration district: Wantage
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 978

Name: Effie Caroline Gaule
Birth Date: 4 Jun 1901
Date of Registration: Sep 1993
Age at Death: 92
Registration district: Abingdon
Inferred County: Berkshire, Oxfordshire
Register Number: 20B
District and Subdistrict: 6971
Entry number: 247

Jan

There are quite a few births registered from Tudor House when you google it,but i have found nowhere where it says it was a hospital etc.

Maryb.

There is this Beddington birth - but she would be very young in 1936 (assuming no corresponding death)!

Name: BEDDINGTON, Female (unnamed)
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Consulate : Shanghai
Country: China
Year: 1921-1925
Volume : 16
Page: 213
Record source: GRO Consular Birth Indices (1849 to 1965)

Hello Eleanor

I am intrigued by your father's birth certificate - particularly the two addresses shown - one for where your father was born (Tudor House) and another for his father's residence (Burma Road) - I presume as the informant?

You might find this link interesting (or it might raise more questions)

http://www.islington.gov.uk/publicrecords/documents/LeisureandCulture/Pdf/lhcwalks_mildmay.pdf


This is the excerpt

On the lhs stands Tudor Court, built in the 1950’s on the site of two 19th century almshouses. The first
was designed for the Tylers’ & Bricklayers’ Co. by William Grellier in 1836 and in 1841 the Dyers’
Company added a further building to the site . The buildings were demolished in the 1930’s

It is possible the local history society may have more information on Tudor House and what it was used for in 1930's - prior to being demolished.

EDIT: If Tudor House was part of Mildmay Memorial Hospital then this link might be useful
http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/alphabeticallist.html

Also National Archives retain some documents from Mildmay Memorial Hospital, but only Council Minutes. It might help to prove if Veronica was there as a TB patient rather than for maternity reasons.

Oh this is a toughy!


I'd be inclined to go for the suggestion that Mary posed and try that death cert

I guess 'Veronica' could have been an assumed name, or maybe she was taken in by another family........arghhhhh :-|

Please come back when you get the death certificate!

just daft thing could have veronica been a middle name she used
PP x

Thank-you PollyPoppet. I do have this census info and from it I was able to order records from Muller's Orphan Houses, Ashley Down, Bristol. If there are any Watkins relatives reading this, I am happy to forward copies of the above records for Elizabeth Winifred Watkins (17/10/1899), Effie Caroline Watkins (4/06/1901) and my grandfather William. They do not give any real details about the children, but I found them fascinating and poignant reading.

Thanks again to everyone who has been so helpful and interested in my search! I'll keep you posted!

1911 Census RecordPersonal Information
Name William Watkins
Relationship to Head of Household Inmate
Gender M
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1905
Occupation Inmate
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Woolwich
Enumerator Information
Address Ashley Down Brstol
Parish Bristol
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN15092 RD319 SD8 ED35 SN9999
Administrative County Gloucestershire
Registration District Bristol
Registration Sub District Ashley
Enumeration District 35
Reference Information
Folio 115
Page 25
Piece 15092
RD number 319
SD number 8
ED number 35
Schedule 9999

Eleanor, if another religion then the religious info would be different, but the civil registration records would be the same.
Jan

Thanks (again !) for FMP look up. Have got the Naval records mentioned by Chris and will order the Watkins in Bromley death certificate this afternoon.

Having read about the history of the Stoke Newington area, I wonder if Veronica could have been Jewish? Would this mean records are stored differently and or is a change of name likely?

And again!

Name: Vera P Burlefinger
Spouse Surname: Gulliford
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1952
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 1191

Name: Vera P Gulliford
Spouse: Green
Marriage: Dec 1983 - Southampton, Hampshire

Blimey.

Jan

The above Vera re-married 1941:

Name: Francis C R Burlefinger
Spouse Surname: Watkins Or Hobby
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1941
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 213

She was born Vera P. Hobby in 1912 so doesn't look very promising, but having said that there is nothing else!

Jan

this is the closest I'm getting at the moment

Civil registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder™: Frederick W Watkins married Vera P Hobby

Name: WATKINS, Frederick W
Registration district: Southampton
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1935
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name Hobby
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 19

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Name: HOBBY, Vera P
Registration district: Southampton
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1935
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Watkins
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 19

Had a look on FMP sorry no luck.
Regards Vera

Will look for you.

Regards Vera

I might be inclined to alter heading to 'Findmypast lookup please new query', so it is obvious this is a new request. They have records of overseas marriages for British nationals. Only a few members have FMP membership so you need to attract their attention.
Worth a try.
Make sure you come back and let us know if you find anything out, I am intrigued by this one!
Jan

Huge thanks to all! My father will be really happy that there is at least one more record of his mother. He is 76 and in recent years has been desperate to find out more about his mother.

I wonder if they might have married abroad in view of William's career.
I suppose if it were me I might send for the death cert. if only to exclude it.
Jan

Eleanor, electoral registers are usually searched in person at the nearest main library to the address. They can be a valuable source of information.
However, luckily for you, a lot of London registers are online and have been searched already by Vera and Gins (see above) with no further clues.
Jan