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here's Dorothy's marriage

Civil registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder™: Leonard Sullivan married Dorothy R Watkins

Name: SULLIVAN, Leonard
Registration district: Devizes
County: Wiltshire
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name Watkins
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 280

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Name: WATKINS, Dorothy R
Registration district: Devizes
County: Wiltshire
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Sullivan
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 280

More help please? - Ansell/Watkins family. I'm not sure if I should post this as a new thread somewhere else?
My grandfather, William F Watkins (22.05.1904) had 4 sisters, Dorothy Rose (6.2.1894, East Ham), Mabel Victoria (11.5.1897, Essex), Elizabeth Winifred (17.10.1899, Barking) & Effie Caroline (4.6.1901, Essex). The youngest girls (and William) were in an orphan house in Bristol for 7 years and the family had adresses in Devizes, London & Somerset.
I found a possible marriage of Dorothy to a Leonard Sullivan in 1915 and in IGI record (that I can no longer find online) a death 15.04.1976.
I found a death record for an Elizabeth W Watkins (age 53) in Bristol, 1953.
Effie appears to have married Charles A Ansell in Bristol, 1923 and had the following possible children: Janet Ansell (1923 Bristol), Anthony Ansell (1924 Woolwich), Susan Ansell (1935 Wantage), Patrick Ansell (1934 Wantage), John J Ansell (1936 Wantage). Then a second marriage to Michael J Gaule ( in 1937, Wantage) and another child, Terence Gaule (1938 Wantage).
Is it possible to find out if any of these Ansell / Gaule or other children are still alive? I'd love to know more about my grandfather and the family from them. I left a John Ansell a message on GR as he has an Effie Watkins in his tree - but I haven't had a reply...
Any help / suggestions would be really appreciated!

Hi Eleanor,I think whichever site you get the birth cert from it will have the same info.
Only difference will be the price.I think the GRO is the cheapest.

Maryb.

Thanks again everyone!

I think I probably need to get hold of the Mullenden / Bebbington marriage certificate for confirmation?

Chris - I found the birth certificate for Vera Bebbington on the website you mentioned. Do you know what further info I might get if I order it from them rather than the GRO?

...Just a trivial coincidence to finish....When I went to see my father with the death certificate etc, he told me that Anna 'Watkins' (our Olympic gold medal winning rower) had the maiden name 'Bebington'!

Wow, this has progressed!, well done.

http://cheshirebmd.org.uk/

(above might be useful)

Chris :)

Hi Eleanor,got marriage info off Ancestry,that being the only one in Nantwich for the correct timeline.


Maryb.

Thanks again Maryb!

Out of interest, how did you work out the names? When I put Hulse and Bebbington into free BMD, I had at least 4 marriages in Nantwich.

Eleanor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove_Park,_Lewisham

http://www.gpcg-ringway.org.uk/GroveParkHistory.htm


have you tried Grove park Cemetery

http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/contact-us/Pages/contact.aspx?directoryid=264&source=%2Fcontact-us%2Fpages%2Fcontacts-a-to-z.aspx%3FLetter%3DG%26Page%3D1

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Vera's parents were Robert Edward Bebbington 1889- 1962 Crewe Cheshire and Annie hulse married 1912.
Annie died 1940 and he remarried Miss Kitchen

Roberts parents were Edward Bebbington 1833 a Gamekeeper and Elizabeth born 1847.

Raymond Bebbington died Crewe 2009.

Not sure you how to find burial place,but I'am sure someone else could advise were to look.

Marybx

possible brother to Vera

Birth transcript details Civil registration event: Birth

Name: BEBBINGTON, Raymond
Registration district: Nantwich
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1918
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Hulse
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 438

Thank-you again Maryb!

I'm going to go and see my father now and drop this bombshell on him!

By the way, I think he would want to go and visit his mother's grave if it could be found. Is there any way of finding out where someone is buried? You probably know this, but it doesn't give any information about burial on the death certificate.

Marriege??
Alfred F Mullenden married Vera Bebbington
Tonbridge Kent
J/A/S 1934 2a 3163.

I would think this is 99% possibility.

Vera Bebbington A/M/J 1913 mum nee Hulse
Natwich
Cheshire
8a 586

Alfred frederick Mullenden born 2/7/1912 died Lambeth 1981
Alfred frederick Mullender July 1912 in Tonbridge Kent mum nee Mason.
One in the same person I think.

Alfred remarried Dec 1938 to Elizabeth Hoban.

Maryb.

Thank-you! I didn't think to search death records for a Veronica Mullender. I've tried looking for a marriage record for Veronica and Alfred, but can't find anything. I wanted to know Veronica's Maiden name. I've also now messaged everyone one with an Alfred Mullender (of an appropriate age) in their family tree!

I always wondered why my grandfather was left to bring up a baby on his own, without the help of any relatives (only friends). If the baby was from an affair, maybe the family disapproved? My grandfather never re-married, or even married..as it turns out!

Still can't find her birth or marriage to Alfred Mullender.

Maryb.

Yes, its clear on that one, she was 25

Thats the same one Helen as the Volume and page number are the same.

Maryb.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Veronica Mullender
Name: Veronica Mullender
Birth Date: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1938
Age at Death: 25
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1003

Looking at the age, I'm sure it can't be 85. There are two other handwritten '8's on the page and they are clearly different. So possibly the age is 35?

sounds like Veronica was married to Mr Mullender and then they seperated, Veronica then having your father to W F Watkins

just looking to see if I can find anything

Veronica Watkins' death certificate has arrived...I don't understand what's going on!
Firstly, I went to double check my Father's birth certificate yesterday incase it was a copy and the name Beddington had been transcribed wrongly. However, it was the 1936 original and his mother's maiden name clearly looks correct.

Now to the death certificate:
When & where died : Sixteenth February 1938, Grove Park Hospital, Mottingham, Chislehurst and Sidcup RD (*might not be 'RD'*)
Name and surname: Veronica Mullender (otherwise Watkins)
Sex: Female
Age: 85 (* the first number isn't too clear*)
Occupation: of the Fire Station, High Street, Hommerton E9, wife of Alfred Mullender a Lance Corporal 1st Royal West Kent Regiment
Cause of Death: **Pulmonary Tuberculosis Certified by C E Garrod MB (*not sure of letters in the last name*)
Signature, description and residence of informant: W F Watkins present at the death. The Fire Station, High Street, Homerton E9
When registered: Seventeenth February 1938
Signature of registrar: SCG (*?*) Swain Deputy Registrar.

Ideas?