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Robert H Reed or Robert Hopke Reed (also a musician) is straightforward to find in the census returns, b approx 1830 in Somerset, and from 1861 onwards, with his daughter Arabella Reed born in 1860 (11 months old in 1861). His mother-in-law (his first wife's mother, Ann Banderio) is in the same household on several returns, including the 1851 census. No Maitlands here either.

Just adding a note about Julia Alicia Griesbach - there is a marriage (and licence application) in 1866 to Walter Dickinson esq - the couple live in Hammersmith from 1871 to 1911, but no Maitland connection at that address. Perhaps Julia was a friend of Louisa's?

Julia b approx 1833, her father was a professor of music:

Julia Rebecca Griesbach (image looks more like Alicia)
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Amy Griesbach
Mother's name: Mirona Griesbach
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b

Household schedule number: 402
Piece: 1466
Folio: 488
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Amy Griesbach 52
Mirona Griesbach 53
Henry John Fredk Griesbach 30
Mira Mary Griesbach 20
Ellen Griesbach 26
Georgina Kate Griesbach 23
Edward Griesbach 19
Julia Rebecca Griesbach 18
Emily Jane Griesbach 13
Caroline Griffiths 29
Mary Blopp 26

- and again no Maitlands

Rosie have a look at this it is too long to copy and paste on to here

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18551126-66&div=t18551126-66&terms=kemp#highlight

There's also extensive reporting of T R Kemp's death caused by apoplexy connected with the trial of Banner Oakley.

There is quite a lot about him but all on the same lines. I couldn't find anything for Alfred as Howell or Maitland

There are bankruptcy notices in the newspapers for Thomas Reginald Kemp in 1849 and 1857.

I'll have a scour and if there are any with significant details I'll send them to your inbox (unless you already have newspaper articles?)

Thanks for that - can I view the bankrupt papers or do I have to subscribe?

Possibly Thomas Reginald Kemp who was a bill broker was previously in business with a George Clay (from The London Gazette)

WHEREAS the Court, authorized to act in the prosecution
of a Petition for' adjudication of Bankruptcy,
filed on the 16th day of May, 1857, against
Thomas Reginald Kemp and George Clay, of No. 7,
Nicholas-lane, Lombard-street, in the city of London, Bill
Brokers and Copartners, trading under the style or firm of
Kemp, Clay and Co., has, on the application of the said
bankrupts, appointed a public sitting under such Petition,
to be held before John Samuel Martin Fonblanque,
Esq., one of Her Majesty's Commissioners of the Court
of Bankruptcy, on the 1st day of September next, at
twelve of the clock at noon precisely, at the Court of
Bankruptcy, in Basinghall-street, London, for the allowance
of the Certificate of-the said bankrupts' conformity
to the laws now in force concerning bankrupts,
according to the form and subject to the provisions of
the Statute, passed in the Parliament holden in the' twelfth
and thirteenth years of the reign of Her present Majesty,
intituled " The Bankrupt Law Consolidation Act, 1849;"
this is to give notice, that such Court will sit, at the time
and place above mentioned, for the purpose aforesaid; when
and where any of the creditors of the said bankrupts, who
shall have given due notice of their intention to oppose, may
be heard against the allowance of such Certificate, and the
same will be allowed, unless cause be then and there shewn
to the contrary, or such other order will be made therein as
the justice of the case may require.
WHEREAS the Court, authorized to act

Yes, I also saw these with mother Lydia but now with the bankrupt info and being in business with Thomas R Kemp who is Thomas Reginald Kemp Louisa's father I feel that perhaps Alfred was older - more Thomas's age .
Also as we cant find any B or D records for him maybe he was born overseas and died in a different country. We'll get there !! thanks for your efforts and anything else I will be keen to look at.

:-D

Just to eliminate him, this is the baptism for Alfred son of John and Lydia:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Alfred Howell
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1846
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1846
Father's Name: John Howell < Messenger
Mother's name: Lydia Howell
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph without Bishopsgate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address - 121 Bishopsgate Street Within.

Lydia's husband John Howell died 07/04/1860, there is probate for him so if this was the right John Howell wouldn't it have said deceased on Alfred marriage reference.

No that's what I thought. Even if he was born 1841 as in the 1851 census he would still have only been 19

That's the one I found - but that Alfred is only 14. He couldn't have been married "of full age" in 1860!

This one I think

HOWELL, Lydia Head Widow F 44 1817 House Keeper
..., Cambridgeshire VIEW
SMITH, John C Son Unmarried M 24 1837 Chairman
St Martin Outwich, London VIEW
HOWELL, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 22 1839 Office Keeper Man
St Martin Outwich, London VIEW
HOWELL, David J Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Sailor...
St Martin Outwich, London VIEW
HOWELL, Alfred Son M 14 1847 ...Clerk
St Martin Outwich, London VIEW
HOWELL, Alice Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
St Martin Outwich, London VIEW
BROOKS, Mary A Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 General Servant
Bishopsgate, London VIEW

Piece: 228 Folio: 134 Page: 5 Registration District: London City Civil Parish: St Martin Outwich Municipal Borough: London Address: New City Chambers, Bishopsgate Street, St Martin Outwich, London County: London


HOWELL, John Head Married M 40 1811 Messenger City Chambers
London VIEW
HOWELL, Lydia Wife Married F 32 1819 Messenger's Wife
Yorton, Cambridgeshire VIEW
HOWELL, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 Scholar
London VIEW
HOWELL, Alfred Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Scholar
London VIEW
HOWELL, Henry Son Unmarried M 0 (4 MOS) 1851
London VIEW
LACK, Charlotte Servant Unmarried F 17 1834 House Servant
Westminster, Middlesex VIEW

Piece: 1532 Folio: 8 Page: 9 Registration District: City of London Civil Parish: Saint Martin Outwich Municipal Borough: London Address: 121, New City Chambers, Bishopsgate Street, Saint Martin Outwich, London County: Middlesex

Rosie - where was that possible 1861 with mother Lydia?

I found one possible but he was too young ......

Great - thank you - thats the lead I was looking for. :-D

It looks like Alfred was in business with Thomas Reginald Kemp.

There are numerous adverts around 1859 for the "General Discount Company Ltd". It had two offices in London and capital of £100,000.

He and Mr Kemp were on the director's list.

The fact that Alfred is described as Captain in the various news items and they were married by a forces chaplain demotes a military family that may have been out of the country before the marriage.

Perry’s Bankrupt Gazette - Saturday 10 July 1858
"Assignees of Bankrupt's Estates"

HUGHES G - Boot and Shoe manufacturer. To Alfred Howell Maitland, Gentleman, Blackfriars Road.

Got it - will look for her also - thanks