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Could have been a marrige by repute between John Hamilton and Margaret Tilley

ellieathome

YesReggie my grandmothers surname was Boyd it is her maiden name
that is the problem
she was born on 16 june 1859
yes i am following the line Ann

I've never heard of that site,should be using Scotlandspeople.

ellieathome

Frances Boyd 1901 Glasgow
Charles Boyd -Shoemaker
Ellen Boyd MS Hamilton-marr.27 December 1878 Gorbals
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27 December 1878 Gorbals
Charles Boyd-Shoemaker-21-136 Gallogate,Glasgow
Ellen Hamilton -Machinest -19 Mungo St.- John Hamilton-Bootmaker-Margaret Hamilton MS Tilly-Deceased

ellieathome

I'm sorry I thought i was helping telling you who everybodys name
I have previous information from a site called pronie.gov.uk
which tells me ellen hamiltons mother is margaret tilley&john hamilton is
her dad ? myself i think my grandmothers mother has changed her
daughhters name to hamilton Ann

Was Frances Boyd born and married in Scotland. Are you following her line through Scotlandspeople?

ellieathome

Sorry Ann, you've lost me.............

Was your grandmother really born in 1859?

And if your mother's birth name was Boyd - surely your grandmother would have had that surname?

Sorry Ann, you've lost me.............

No this is where the problem starts to try and help my mother was Frances
Boyd her parents where Helen Hamilton & charles Boyd as our familly
thought these were the names on her married lines but iwas surprised to
read this as i knew my granmother as ann norra fraser i cant work it out as
she died ann norra this is why i am trying to find if there is a helen hamilton
as both names have margaret tully as there mother Ann

Charles Boyd in 1901 was married to someone called Helen.......I thought you said your grandmother married him, and that your grandmother was Ann Norra Fraser

Name: Charles Boyd
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen Boyd
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4 Silverfir St
Occupation: Boot Trade Rough Stuff Cutter
ED: 67
Household schedule number: 150
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1901_311
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Boyd 42
Helen Boyd 40
Charles Boyd 21
William Boyd 18
Susan Boyd 16
John Boyd 15
James Boyd 11
Mary Boyd 9
Helen Boyd 5


He had the same wife in 1881 and 1891

"my grandmother married Charles Boyd born 1857 they are in the 1901 census"

For which country, Ann?

Mentioning Fraser would not have confused us - we need facts on which to base our attempts to help you

Ann

You aren't helping us to help you

Why do you think that John Hamilton's daughter had a mother who was originally Margaret Tully?

You're jumping from Hamilton to Fraser with no obvious connection.


Please don't refer to people by their relationship to you - use only their given names, so as not to confuse things even further

Yes thought you had made a mistake,so
John Frazer +Margaret Tully ( Marr 1854 Glasgow)
John Hamilton + Margaret Tully
Ellen Hamilton c 1864+ Charles Boyd c1857
Your Mother

Is that right

ellieathome
Edit- Ann Norra Frazer 1859 could not be the Mother of Ellen Hamilton c1864

Made a mistake my grandmother was the daughter of John &margaret
Fraser they were married on 10 dec 1854 again I think in glasgow i did
find somthing with this date i just cant find it at the moment Ann

Sorry dont know margaret tullys parents Icant find where she was born my
mother was Ann Norras daughter
Helen was born 1861
John Hamilton was a Boot Manufacturer the info I have says he was
decesed when Helen married age 19years old Ann

This has been my problem for a long time Ihave hit a brick wall that is why I
asked for help Idont know what happened to John Fraser I only have my granmothers birth cert which says aNN Norra Fraser which ellieathome
has found on my mothers marriage lines is ellen boyd ms hamilton
my grandmother married Charles Boyd born 1857 they are in the 1901
Regards census Sorry now you have another namecan you see how Iam confused Regards Ann

Am i correct in thinking Margaret Tully never died in Scotland ,as her parents would have been on the death cert.

ellieathome

I'm having trouble with the ages here .Which one of Ann Norra Frazer's children was your Father .Are we still in Scotland?

Ellieathome

Regge I did not mention Fraser in case I confused everone
ellieathome I dont know anything about John H amilton I have tried scotlands people but no matches regards ann