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Sorry wrong date imeant 1839

What are the details from Ellen Hamilton / Boyd#s death certificate please?

I don't see Ellen on any census records prior to her marriage to Francis Boyd. Have you found her please either as Ellen or Ann Norra ?


EDIT

If that Fraser / Tulley marriage in 1854 is correct, then I think Margaret was born earlier than 1839.

Yes that seems to be what has happened Ann

Ellieathome Ido think there is somthing like half sisters if i could only find a
marriage cert for margaret hamilton
rootgatherer you have the right marriage I havemy grans birth cert born1859
Ihave a copy from an old web sitethat said 1939 their son was born 6/7/57
the problem is the name ellen hamilton this name is on my mothers birth cert
Ihad never heard of it before Ihave tried to find john fraser and john hamiltin
on scotlands people there are no matches Ieven tried again this afternoon
Ann

Are we saying here that Ann Norra Fraser married as Ellen Hamilton?

Ann, how do you know when Margaret Tully was born please? I can't see her on any census or Ann Norra or her son William. Have you found any of them on census records please?

If your Margaret was born in 1839 then the marriage below is unlikely (not impossible though) to be hers.

JOHN FRASER
MARGARET TILLEY
Marriage: 10 DEC 1854 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland


If the above is her marriage, have you found a death for John Fraser before Ellen's birth? If not then probably Margaret wasn't free to marry Mr. Hamilton.

Have you found Ellen's birth on Scotlandspeople please? Have you looked at the OPR entry for the above marriage to see if there is any further information i.e. father's names and / or occupations?

Ann you said it your self there is only 2/3 years between ann norra Fraser and Ellen Hamilton.Margaret Tilly had Ann norra Frazer ,and Ellen Hamilton ,then they are half sisters.

ellieathome

Can you give details on Ann Norra Frazer -Marriage -when ,where ,date

Who signed death certificate of ann norra's death

ellieathome

Edit- Margaret Tully died in Glasgow.1861-1878

thank you rootgatherer for your input but my margaret tully was born 1839
I have my grans birth cert which stats her name is Ann Norra Fraser which is also on her death cert Ann

pronie.gov.uk? proni.gov.uk that a site for N. Ireland

Just been on to scotlands people again for margaret tully's death cert
came up with 9 records but i dont know where she was born or where she died Itried again for marriage cert no nmatches :Ann

????

1851

Name: Margaret Tillie
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Tillie
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 622
Civil parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4 Terrace Street
Occupation: Domestic Servt
ED: 39
Page: 18 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 71
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1851_143
Household Members: Name Age
William Tillie 53
Margaret Tillie 26

Your mother's mother was your grandmother - that's a biological fact. Ellen, nee Hamilton fills that role

The other woman was not your grandmother - no matter what 'pet name' you may have given her

Ann Norra was only two years older than ellen who both have the same
mother margaret tully (maiden name ) Ihave my gran's birth cert I visited
her before she died
The nameson my mother's birth cert are Charles Boyd (shoemaker) Father
Ellen Boyd (ms Hamilton) Ann

If Margaret Tilly died soon after the birth of Ellen Hamilton,would Ann Nora Frazer have brought her up.Either way she is a surrigate grannie

ellieathome

Ann

One last try - on my part.

Please answer two questions - add nothing else for the moment

Your mother was born Frances Boyd - when and where, please?

I think you have her birth cert - what (exactly) are the names on it for her parents?

You need to find Margaret Hamilton's death cert on Scotlandspeople .She was deceased before 1878
You'll have to try all the known surnames .
ellieathome

Edit - Ellen Hamilton is your Grandmother .Margaret Tilly is your G Grandmother.
Frances may have called Ann Frazer Gran as she may have been the oldest one around

Bed time I think dont you thank you and God Bless Ann :-)

Actully i have been using scotlands people for years ivery seldome get any answers this subject proves that otherwise i would not be asking you good people for help you havefound the right family's I still dont know why my granmother's name was changed unless ellen hamilton is another person
that was the reason for finding a marriage cert for margaret tully=tilley
Ann

If Ellen Hamilton stated in 1878 that she was 19 ,then Ann Nora Frazer 1859 was not her mother.She states she was Margaret Tilley

ellieathome