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Edward william oak his1st wife was Louise caroline cosh his 2nd wife was Robinetta Oak he married his cousin
Eddie

Might have another lead, just sent a message through GR to an Edward Oak, who has Edward Arthur Milner Oak, named on his tree!

Spot on again Rootgatherer :-)

Mother Louisa Caroline Oak ms Milner
Father Edward William Oak

Births Jun 1870 Oak Edward Arthur M Atherstone 6d 382

1881

Name: Edward A. M. Oak
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward W. Oak
Mother's Name: Robinetta Oak
Gender: Male
Where born: Polesworth, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: New Road (St Lukes Vicarage)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow In Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4292
Folio: 56
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Edward W. Oak 38
Robinetta Oak 31
Evelyn A. G. Oak 12
Edward A. M. Oak 11
George L. Oak 8
Grace R. M. Oak
Eliza Williams 28
Isabella Nicholson 18

Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)
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Gunter Hilda Maude Hastings 2b 69
LEES Hastings Rowley Hastings 2b 69
Lees Hastings Rowlye Hastings 2b 69
Oak Edward William Hastings 2b 69
Oak Robinetia Ellen Hastings 2b 69
Oak Robinetta Ellen Hastings 2b 69


Name: Edward E M Oak
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward W Oak
Mother's Name: Louisa C Oak
Gender: Male
Where born: Polesworth, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Dalton
Ecclesiastical parish: Dalton
Town: Dalton-in-Furness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Dalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 238
Piece: 4243
Folio: 30
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Edward W Oak 28 Curate
Louisa C Oak 22 b. Romford, Essex, England
Emely A G Oak 2
Edward E M Oak 1
Mary Kellett 15
Margaret E Nicholas 17

Edward Arthur Milner Oak, in the Merchant Service in 1900 when he married Jessie. His father was a Church of England Clergyman.

In 1901 census
Andrew 67 Head
Mary 59 wife
Robert 25 daughter

Andrew 10 grandson - father john, mother elizabeth

Jessie Short Oak 21 daughter - now married to edward arthur m oak 1900
Edward w Oak - son of Jessie and Edward (Andrews Grandson)

Arthur E Short 31, must actually be Edward Arthur M Oak???

His Military records don't seem to have survived as about 70% were lost. If you knew where the family were living in 1917 he will be named either in the Parish Church Memorial or the Local War Memorial.

It is pretty addictive this hobby (I still am after more than 30 years). But to miss a works night out.... I have never got it quite as bad as that!

Andrew may have married before he enlisted so probably worth checking for a marriage for him.

Oh Rootgatherer, you are a star. Great info and explains a lot. So Andrew stayed with his Grandparents, and was in the Army. :-)
I am getting so excited now everything is falling into place. What a great hobby this is!
On a lighter note i have completely missed a whole day...woke up this morning, thinking it was Friday, only to find it wasn`t and i missed the works night out, ooops

On the 1901 census Sarah Hunking is the Head of the house but I think that there is a line deviding her from Joanna and family. I think that the confusion is caused as Joanna is listed as Wife probably because John is working away, rather than Head. I think the are lodging at that address as it is the same house address as Sarah.

Name: Andrew Geoge Short
Regiment: Royal Army Service Corps
Regiment Number: M2/073628
Rank: Corporal
Death Date: 30 Sep 1917
Death Place: France
Birth Place: Belfast, Northern Ireland





Medals awarded Victory and British

Name: Andrew George Short
Birth Place: Belfast
Residence: Dunoon, Argyll
Death Date: 30 Sep 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: London
Rank: Corporal
Regiment: Royal Army Service Corps
Number: M2/073628
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre


???

Name: SHORT
Initials: A G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Army Service Corps
Unit Text: 717th Mechanical Transport Coy.
Secondary Unit Text: attd. IX Corps Heavy Artillery.
Date of Death: 30/09/1917
Service No: M2/073628
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. A. 26.
Cemetery: LOCRE HOSPICE CEMETERY

1901

Name: Andrew Short
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relationship: Grand Son
Father's Name: Arthur E Short
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 644/14A
Registration district: Kinning Park Landward
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 1 Stanley St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 32
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_322
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Short 67 b. Port Monteith, Perthshire
Mary Short 59
Robt Short 25
Jessie Short Oak 21
Arthur E Short 31
Andrew Short 10
Edward W Oak 6 Days Grandson (transcript says Arthur E is his father)

????

Name: Andrew George Short
Registration District: Belfast
Event Type: BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1891
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101063
Volume Number: 1
Page Number: 409
Digital Folder Number: 4193977
Image Number: 00490

I have found the marriage of Andrew Short and Isabella Edgar, on the 10.2.1860, in Tradeston, Glasgow.

Isabella died 3 months after the marriage on 8.5.1860, also in Tradeston, Glasgow. Cause of death Consumption of the lungs.

I need to find details of the first marriage of Andrew Short, born 28.1.1833, in port of montieth, Perth.

I also need to find out where the missing child of John and Joanna Short was in 1901.
His name is Andrew Short, born 4.4.1891 in either Belfast/Liverpool/Glasgow, and his death is recorded as 30.9.1917 in Chile?

In 1901 Joanna Maria Short ms Pozzi was living in Toxteth, Liverpool. She was aged 34. In 1901 she had 6 children, but only 5 were with her during the census. On the census it has `Sarah Hunkin` as the mother of Elizabeth Stuart Short, aged 11, but her mother was Joanna.
I do not know if Sarah Hunkin is a relative, or landlady, as the GR site will not let me print out the original record, it wont open as it says i do not have adobe installed, but i do. I did send the helpline a message yesterday but have not had a reply back yet.
So it seems John was working away, trying to find accomodation, for his wife and family, in 1901.
He must of succeeded as the next timeline i have is for the death of Joanna Maria Short, on the 23.3.1906, aged 39, in the parish of Cathcart, in the county of Renfrew.

In 1901 John Short was a boarder in 66 Kinning Park, Glasgow. He was 37, a cooper, and was born in Glasgow.
I found his birth cert, and he was born on the 25.7.1863.
His father was Andrew Short (Cooper journeyman) and Mary Short ms McKechnie.
I found their marriage cert, and they married on the 26.6.1863, 4 weeks before the birth of John.
Andrew Short, aged 29, was a widower, son of John Short (Carter) and Janet Short ms McEwan.
Mary McKechnie, aged 20, was single, domestic servant, and daughter of Peter McKechnie (cooper journeyman) and Margaret McKechnie ms Bell.

Hi WeegreyFergie,
I just had a look at your link, but cant see if it ties in. I am getting totally lost now, i think i need a little luck o the irish!
I have sent messages to GR members covering all the william cassidys and mary mcnaughtons, but canot find anyone with an O`Rawe in their trees. It is spelt O Rath on the certificate, and i can find the Welsh version Yorath, so maybe if your in Ireland it is O Rath, Wales its Yorath and in England it is just Rath, and possibly McRath in Scotland?? :-S

Perhaps this is related

http://www.ballymoneyancestry.com/VolForumRss.aspx?topic_id=598&print=1

Another son Hugh born 31st August 1869 Dirraw Ballymoney