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Yep, definitely getting there on the Foreman front.

I think mumof4 needs to get the birth cert of one of the children and find out Ada's maiden name before she can get stuck in with that line though.

I think we are getting there don't you??

I have'nt done a thing all day except get our lunch!!!!!!

Excellent!!!!

Your John and Maria in 1841 tie in with my John and Maria in Charles' birth & baptism details that I posted above your 1851 census.

Got as bit of trouble with this census as they are all on their own but not on the census.

1841 England Census
about John Foreman
Name: John Foreman
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: St Leonard
Hundred: Colchester Borough
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:Barrack St. (I know it a bit!!)

Occupation: John is a Timber Hewer*************

Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Third Ward
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 344
Book: 8
Folio: 9
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Foreman 45

John Foreman abt 45 1796 Essex, England St Leonard, Essex


Maria Foreman abt 1802 Wife Essex, England St Leonard, Essex


John Foreman abt 1825 Essex, England St Leonard, Essex


Charles Foreman abt 1828 Essex, England St Leonard, Essex

1851 England Census
about Charles Foreman
Name: Charles Foreman
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England

Civil parish: Bury St Edmunds St James
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Sub-registration district: Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Piece: 1792
Folio: 254
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
John W Lofts 37
Isabella Lofts 36
Isabella Lofts 12
Sarah Lofts 11
John Lofts 8
Elizabeth Lofts 7
Charles Lofts 4
Rosa Lofts 10 MO
Mary Kent 68
Charles Foreman 22 Timber dealers Clerk Visitor b Colchester.Unmarried

IGI extracted record:

LUCY TATUM

Birth 14 SEP 1828 New Meeting House Stanwell Street-Baptist Or Indepcolche, Colchester, Essex, England

parents William Tatum and Mary Rand

and:

CHARLES FOREMAN

Birth: 30 JUL 1828

Christening 08 FEB 1829 Helens Lane Meeting House Or Stockwell Chapel-Indecolches, Colchester, Essex, England

Parents John Foreman and Maria

also extracted IGI record.

HI Mel, had already posted that 1871 census on page 2..

great minds and all that :-)

1871 England Census
about Charles Foreman
Name: Charles Foreman
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy Foreman
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England
Civil parish: St James
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester Third Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 46
Piece: 1687
Folio: 103
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Foreman 42
Lucy Foreman 42
Katherine Foreman 17
Elijah Foreman 14 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk1857 *************
Minnie Foreman 6

I think you're right Mel, Minnie was Elijah's sister in 1871 census I posted.

Charles on your 1881 census is presumably little Elijah Charles?


Marriage of Charles and Lucy????


Marriages Jun 1851 (>99%)
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>>>>Foreman Charles Colchester 12 85
Garland Sarah Colchester 12 85
Jones Thomas Colchester 12 85
Langham Sarah Colchester 12 85
RAYMES Eliza Colchester 12 85
Sharpe Benjamin Thomas Colchester 12 85
Steggel Alfred Colchester 12 85
>>>>Tatum Lucy Colchester 12 85

I keep coming back to this??

1881 England Census
about Minnie Foreman
Name: Minnie Foreman
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Foreman
Mother's Name: Lucy Foreman
Gender: Female
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England

Civil parish: Colchester St James
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Brook Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Tailoress

Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester Third Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1792
Folio: 56
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Foreman 51 Head1830 Heybridge Essex (which is near Colchester) Timber Hewer Dealer.
Lucy Foreman 52 1829 Colchester Essex.
Minnie Foreman 16 Dau1865 Colchester Essex
Charles Foreman 5 Grandson 1876 born London Hackney Wick London

Marriage of Elijah c1858 and Eleanor?


Marriages Sep 1875
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FOREMAN Elijah Hackney 1b 868
WARREN Eleanor Hackney 1b 868


Also:

Births Dec 1875 (>99%)
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Foreman Elijah Charles Hackney 1b 542

census 1871.

On Image Elijah is a japanner and born Bury ST Edmunds.

Charles Foreman is a Timber Hewer and he and his wife Lucy, a tailoress are born Colchester.

FOREMAN, Charles Head M 42 1829 Essex
FOREMAN, Lucy Wife F 42 1829 Essex
FOREMAN, Katherine Daughter F 17 1854 Essex
FOREMAN, Elijah Son M 14 1857 Suffolk
FOREMAN, Minnie Daughter F 6 1865 Essex

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Piece:
1687 Folio:
103 Page:
9 Registration District:
Colchester

Civil Parish:
St James Municipal Borough:
Colchester Address:
Brook Street, St James, Colchester County:
Essex

I think she may have swopped her names around.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Agnes Emily Codrington
Name: Agnes Emily Codrington
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1891********
Baptism Date: 4 Jan 1892 *******
Father's Name: Joseph James Codrington Piano Forte Maker****
Mother's Name: Agnes Lucy Codrington
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden

Thanks for that Mumof4.

It seems to me you found the right family, but we still have the mystery of why Elijah Charles didn't seem to bother to marry either Ada or Rose, and certainly we have found a record of the death of first wife Minnie.

I would be tempted to get the birth cert of Charles Henry to find out Ada's maiden name - who knows, it may have been that she was already married to someone else when she met Elijah Charles

Thanks mumof 4.

It does give us a better picture.

Ok folks. My husbands grandfather was Charles Frederick Foreman b 6/4/1924 to parents Charles Henry foreman and Emily Agnes Codrington b who married 31/3/1923in Clerkenwell, London. I have their marriage certificate.
Charles Henry was a bachelor, shop assistant aged 20 living at 27 Affleck St and Emily Agnes a spinster, aged 26 (although research has only found a birth in 1892 making her actually 31) also living at 27 Affleck Street.

Charles Henry's father Charles Foreman was listed as a storekeeper and deceased which is the only thing that doesn't tie up with all the previous research. Emily Agnes's father Joseph James Codrington was listed as a pianoforte maker and was also deceased.
Witnesses on the certificate include the names Frederick Edward Codrington, Matilda Agnes Codrington, Frederick Dow and Ada Foreman.

I'm led to believe that Frederick Dow was the partner of Ada Foreman and it may possibly be the case that if Elijah Charles Foreman had left his family and moved on his son may have been told he was dead.

I was told that there were aunts of Charles Frederick called Ada, Lily, Rose and Freda but this may have been confused over the years!

I hope this helps clear things up a bit.

I agree with that too but we do need to know how they are connected so if mumof4 could give us all a clue as to her hubby's parents and grandparents then we could go from there. If you see what I mean.

OK, thanks Mel.

I can see the need for privacy in some instances, living people as you say, but it seemed a shame to lose the pooling of resources and ideas that come with working as a group on thread. :

I meant pm to any of us.

Right are you sayaing that these are your hubbies family for definate please??

1901 England Census
about Charles Foreman
Name: Charles Foreman
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ada Foreman
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:17 Warner Road.

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Lower Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 258
Piece: 175
Folio: 70
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Foreman 27
Ada Foreman 23
Lillie Foreman 5
Rose Foreman 1 Month