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Barry,

I wonder if Annie Letitia Shaw Dunn was unofficially adopted.

We can't find a link to the Shaws and Annie is with the Shaws in 1871, whilst the other Dunn children are with Letitia. Annie is baptised within 2 months of her birth with the Shaw name added and the Shaws seem to have no other children..... Annie later is a teacher of Music whilst her mother is a laundress, so it looks like money was spent on Annie to ensure a good upbringing.

Her birth registration was prior to her baptism and the Shaw name is omitted;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Births Dec 1867
------------------
DUNN Annie Letitia Dudley 6c 138


Think it's all pointing to a private adoption???

But we know that she has contact with her birth family at least later in life, all very confusing.

Thanks for trying Chris.
Barry

Parish Records Collection - marriage
Day: 9

Month: Aug

Year: 1854

Groom forename: Charles

Groom surname: SHAW

Groom's residence: of Ockbrook Derbyshire

Groom's condition: bac

Groom's occupation: goods porter

Groom's age: 20

Groom's father's forename: Thomas

Groom's father's surname:

Groom's father's occupation: glove maker

Bride forename: Martha Birley

Bride surname: SHEPHERD

Bride's residence: of King Street

Bride's condition: sp

Bride's occupation: [blank]

Bride's age: 20

Bride's father's forename: William

Bride's father's surname:

Bride's father's occupation: shoe maker

By Licence:

Place: Cambridge, Holy Trinity

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Witness 1 forename: William Birley

Witness 1 surname: SHEPHERD

Witness 2 forename: Lucy Mills


1851

SHAW, Thomas Head Married M 54 1797 Frame Work Knitter
Derbyshire
SHAW, Ann Wife Married F 49 1802 Silk Winder
Bramcote
Nottinghamshire
SHAW, James Son Unmarried M 24 1827 Frame Work Knitter
Ockbrook
Derbyshire
SHAW, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 22 1829 Silk Glove Stitcher
Ockbrook
Derbyshire
SHAW, Charles Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Frame Work Knitter
Ockbrook
Derbyshire
SHAW, Alfred Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Frame Work Knitter
Ockbrook
Derbyshire

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2141 Folio:
384 Page:
19

Registration District:
Shardlow Sub District:
Spondon Enumeration District:
3B Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Ockbrook Municipal Borough:
Address:
Green Lane, Ockbrook County:
Derbyshire

All very strange!, the Annie Letitia that died 1936 Cambridge, was a teacher of music, no nearer to Dunn connection...

Chris :)


1861

SHAW, Charles Head Married M 27 1834 Goods Guard
Ockbrook
Derbyshire
SHAW, Martha Briley Wife Married F 26 1835 Wife To Goods Guard
Cambridge

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
965 Folio:
55 Page:
14

Registration District:
Peterborough Sub District:
2 Peterborough Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Fletton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Daviss Row, Fletton, New Fletton County:
Northamptonshire

Chris,
They are the right Shaw's you found in the 1871 census.
Martha's maiden name was Shepherd. So Martha Shepherd was her mother.
Her death Mar Q 1892 Chesterton 3b 390, age 81.
I still don't know the connection between the Shaw's and the Dunn's. I thought Annie might have been adopted but Dee found her baptism in 1868 as Annie Letitia Shaw Dunn.
Barry

Many, many thanks Dee and Chris - I am absolutely amazed that you have sorted this tangled web!
As to the money, I was thinking the same. Various members of this family seem to travel back and forth across the Atlantic. Isaac must have gone back to England after his first wife Mary died as he travelled back to the US in 1908 with new wife Jane.
There is a marriage Isaac Dunn to Florence Clark or Sarah Taylor Jun Q 1908 in Stourbridge 6c 331 - could Sarah be Sarah Jane???
Barry

I think it probably is Chris..... the Shaw couple in 1871 only had 1 child and they were quite a bit older....... makes me think??

So were did Letitia Dunn get her money from to take her family to the USA?? As a widower that was a strong and brave move and she would have needed finanical backing.

Oh, perhaps that 1871 isn't the right Annie, lol...


(just adding these below)


Parish Records Collection - burial
First name(s): Thomas William

Last name: JUDGE

Date of burial: 5 Sep 1921

Age at death: 70

Calculated year of birth: 1851

Place of burial: Cambridge

Dedication: St Paul


County: Cambridgeshire Parish Records Collection - burial
First name(s): Bertha

Last name: JUDGE

Date of burial: 25 Nov 1892

Age at death: 37

Calculated year of birth: 1855

Place of burial: Cambridge

Dedication: St Paul

County: Cambridgeshire



Parish Records Collection - burial
Forenames: Annie Letitia

Surname: SHAW

Residence: of 15 Victoria Road

Day: 27

Month: Jan

Year: 1936

Age: 68

Notes:

Parish: Cambridge, St Luke (Chesterton)

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Grave details: Mill Road Cemetery

That's really confusing Chris....... what a tangled web these Dunns have weaved, LOL!!!

Name: Annie Letitia Shaw Dunn
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Jan 1868
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 05 Nov 1867
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Isaac Dunn
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Letitia
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04014-8
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 378785
Reference Number:

1871

SHAW, Charles Head M 37 1834 Derbyshire
SHAW, Martha Wife F 36 1835 Cambridgeshire
SHAW, Annie Daughter F 3 1868 Worcestershire

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1582 Folio:
61 Page:
5

Registration District:
Chesterton Sub District:
Fulbourn Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Chesterton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Milton Road, Chesterton County:
Cambridgeshire

(this is where she starts, then 1881 is with grandmother Martha Shepherd, she stays in the same area, a stones throw from me, lol)

Hi Chris,

That's great........ this I think is Emily's sister.

Dee x

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Annie Letitia Shaw Dunn
Name: Annie Letitia Shaw Dunn
Probate Date: 14 May 1936
Death Date: 22 Jan 1936
Death Place: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Registry: Peterborough

(or Annie Letitia Shaw, Cambridge, spinster. probate to Stephen Henry Judge Effects £3414 0s 8d)

Baz and Dee, adding this here in case it relates!, the above person was also a witness I see (on FMP parish marriages, Cambs) at the wedding of Bertha Annie Elizabeth Judge in 1894, she turns up on the 1901 census with the family in Chelmsford, other than that she is in Cambridge on other census. Please ignore if no good, just thought I'd add, lol)

Chris :)


1901

JUDGE, Thomas W Head Married M 49 1852 Inn Keeper
United States a Br Subj
JUDGE, Emily Wife Married F 38 1863
Dudley
Worcestershire
JUDGE, Thomas W Son Single M 24 1877 Barman
London
JUDGE, John A Son Single M 22 1879 Barman
Deal
Kent
JUDGE, Letitia Daughter Single F 15 1886
United States a Br Subj
JUDGE, Cecil S Son M 10 1891
Cambridge
JUDGE, Frank H Son M 6 1895
Cambridge
JUDGE, Annie Daughter F 4 1897
Cambridge
JUDGE, Ellener E Daughter F 2 1899
Chelmsford
Essex
JUDGE, Clara E Daughter F 0 (8 MOS) 1901
Chelmsford
Essex
SHAW, Annie T Sister Single F 32 1869 (should be L)
Dudley
Worcestershire
SEWELL, Annie Servant Single F 20 1881 General Servant Domestic
Bishops Stortford
Hertfordshire
MILLER, Emily Servant Single F 16 1885 General Servant Domestic
Chelmsford
Essex

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1671 Folio:
31 Page:
8

Registration District:
Chelmsford Sub District:
Chelmsford Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Chelmsford St Mary's

Civil Parish:
Chelmsford Municipal Borough:
Address:
6, (Market House), Tindal Square, Chelmsford County:
Essex

Hi Barry,

Think we've come to the same conclusion about Letitia Jnr. Emily may have added Judge to her name for her daughters sake and to save face?? It would be interesting to see the marriage certificate for 1893 and see who she puts as her father???

I did have a look regarding Stephen Judge but I couldn't see anything.

Dee x

Hi BMD,
In the land of the living again! I laid awake thinking last night the same thing!
Thomas's daughter Maud Emily was born 1885 in Bootle, Lancs.
I'm thinking that maybe Thomas hooked up with Emily before Bertha died.
There is a marriage Thomas William Judge to Emily Johnson Jun Q 1893 Liverpool 8b 63 - could she have used a false name? Don't know why Johnson when she had so many others to choose from. I think it must be him as I can't find any other Thomas William's born at the right time.
Barry
Edit: Just realised Emily Dunn Judge married Hans Johnson!!! But why had she added Judge to her name in 1891 when she didn't marry Thomas until 1893???

Ok Barry, night night.

I wonder if Thomas Judge fathered Letitia with Emily Dunn whilst he was in the USA???

Hi Baz,

I haven't found a birth for her yet.

Come across this;

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Mrs. Letitia Dunn Name: Mrs. Letitia Dunn
Arrival Date: 15 Nov 1894
Birth Year: abt 1838
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Teutonic

States her residence was Cambridge!1

Think this is her death;

New York City Deaths, 1892-1902
about Letitia Dunn Name: Letitia Dunn
Birth Date: abt 1840
Age: 55
Death Date: 21 Oct 1895
Death Place: New York, New York
Certificate Number: 36284



Still thinking that Thomas's 2nd wife Emily was Isaac Dunns sister and hence Letitia born C.1886 staying with them in 1910.

Thanks again - I'm in Australia, so off to bed now! Will look again in the morning.
Barry

So, the Dunn family at long last;

1880 United States Federal Census
about Emily Dunn Name: Emily Dunn
Home in 1880: New York City, New York, New York
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of Household: Dau (Daughter)
Father's birthplace: England
Mother's name: Letitia Dunn
Mother's birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: At Home
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Letitia Dunn 40
Emily Dunn 18
Henry Dunn 16
John Dunn 11

Many thanks to all who have contributed - I'll work my way through and post when I have the marriage cert for Thomas and Emily.
I'm beginning to wonder if Letitia b.1886 actually was the daughter of Bertha and Thomas - their daughter Maud Emily was born Jun Q 1885 and Letitia was born in January 1886 - calculated from her age of 24 years 4 months on May 5th 1909 when she arrived in New York.
Would there have been a birth certificate for Letitia 1886 in New York?
Barry

Now it gets even more confusing!!!

Groom's Name: Hans Johnson
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Emily Dunn Judge
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 15 Mar 1891
Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Groom's Father's Name: Joahn
Groom's Mother's Name: Emilie Edoward
Bride's Father's Name: Isaac Dunn
Bride's Mother's Name: Letticia Bishop
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00768-5
System Origin: New_York-ODM
Source Film Number: 1452208
Reference Number:

OK, so this is Isaac's brother;

1910 United States Federal Census
about Walter Dunn Name: Walter Dunn
Age in 1910: 45
Estimated Birth Year: 1865
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Spouse's Name: Martha M Dunn
Home in 1910: New Canaan, Fairfield, Connecticut
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1880
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Dunn 45
Martha M Dunn 45
Gertrude Dunn 21
John M Dunn 15
Harry H Dunn 14
William P Dunn 6


His marriage;

Groom's Name: Walter Dunn
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Martha Maria Morris
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 25 Sep 1888
Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Groom's Father's Name: Isaac Dunn
Groom's Mother's Name: Lett...Cia Bishop
Bride's Father's Name: John Morris
Bride's Mother's Name: Mary Ann G...Ff...
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00490-5
System Origin: New_York-ODM
Source Film Number: 1558510
Reference Number: