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Just to add that Sandra did ask me by pm and it seems that all the deaths registered in that qtr for that area are missing off of freebmd also there is no image to view on ancestry

So maybe someone with more experiance can help with this

The 1914 death not the 1902

jax

Further to my previous post, this is the only Francis Wing death with similar details that I can find on free BMD. It is not my Francis as the age at death doesn't tally.
I think there may be a mistake on the Ancestry website.
Perhaps I should notify them... ? Does anybody have any other suggestions where I could find Francis' death record?

Deaths Mar 1902
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Wing Francis St. Olave 1d 171
Age: 74 (which means dob around 1828)

I am puzzled, have I not given the correct info? Recvd fllwg info back from GRO (should I perhaps have given London as District name?):

Your Reference: FRANCIS WING
Dear Sandra Morris
Thank you for your order as detailed below.
Quantity Ordered = 1
Forename at Death = Francis
Surname at Death = Wing
Age at Death = 74
Customer Reference = Francis Wing
Year = 1914
Qtr = D
Vol = 01d
Page = 171
ROLO District name = St Olave Bermondsey
Application Number = 3267287 - 1
Ordered item = Standard E/W Death w GRO
We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.
There is no trace of the above mentioned person at the reference you quoted.
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original info I used:
Name: Francis Wing
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1914
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: St Olave Bermondsey
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 171 (click to see others on page

Thank you Sandra

always good to hear back


sylvia

Thanks for coming back to let us know Sandra

jax

Have just received birth cert of Ann Wing, indeed child of Francis and Frances Wing, b 1 Aug 1862. Will order her death cert as want to find out what she died of.

Have now also got death cert of Walter Edward Wing, died age 7 months old on 22 Jul 1871 - whooping cough. Very sad. Son of Francis Wing, porter, almost certainly the Francis in my family tree.

Thanks for everybody's help so far!!!

Now I need to continue searching for one other child, William James Wing b abt 1867, baptised 6 Oct 1867. Can be found in 1871 census but not after that.

Also the father, Francis Wing b 1839 remains elusive, but still waiting for a death cert of a Francis Wing which may give me some more clue(s).

Just thought I would add this this It could be her...again another reason why she was not in any other census

Name: Anne Wing
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1878
Age at Death: 15
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 47 (click to see others on page)


Just william to find and perhaps the where abouts of Francis

That is well possible, another birth cert that I may have to order to get me any further. Have ordered death cert of Francis Wing d. 1914. Will post result upon receipt of cert, could take a week or so before arrival.

Maybe they forgot to add the Frances to her birth reg

Births Sep 1862 (>99%)
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WING Anne E Grinstead 2b _03

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Looking at the age, I think Minnie could actually be Frances Annie Wing, acc to IGI christened 28 Sep 1862, East Grinstead. Haven't found any further details regarding her.

I thought Minnie could be Harriet but changed my mind.... there is another called Anne born at the right time and place so will have a look for her now. No record of a Minnie anywhere

jax

Oh that is very interesting and thanks for looking into that. Think will try and obtain birth & death certificate as they should give me confirmation re parents and the death cert also regarding cause of death and address.
Sandra

Oh that is very interesting and thanks for looking into that. Think will try and obtain birth & death certificate as they should give me confirmation re parents and the death cert also regarding cause of death and address.
Sandra

Maybe one was 4 and the other 4 months?

Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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WING Walter Edward Holborn 1b 654

I know thats clerkenwell

reason he was not on anymore census

Deaths Sep 1871 (>99%)
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Wing Walter Edward 0 Marylebone 1a 390

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Name: William James Wing
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1867
Baptism Date: 6 Oct 1867
Father's name: Francis Wing >>>>>Coachman
Mother's name: Faney Wing
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone St Mark
Borough: Westminster

Births Dec 1866 (>99%)
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Wing William J Marylebone 1a 546

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Am going to order death cert of Francis Wing today and keep you posted, it may be a long shot but worthwhile to investigate. Very intriguing as his son Frank deserted his wife (my ggrandmother) and family when he was in his 40's - how peculiar (or not??). Frank hasn't left any trail whatsover, very frustrating.

Sylvia re Walter & William, I have a copy of the 1871 census sheet and William is indicated to have been born in Hamsted and Walter in Clerkenwell?? Either Walter was adopted or they were (twin) brothers - twins do run in the Wing family - born in Clerkenwell / Hamsted.

Thanks for all the information provided so far!
Sandra

William and Walter Wing were born in Clerkenwell, Middlesex, according to that 1871 Census



sylvia

It is possible that Francis is not dead as early as you think


If he left the family around 1870, the children may have been led to believe that he was dead ............. but he could be living elsewhere, and even possibly with another family.


This death that jax found has me intrigued.

Name: Francis Wing
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1914
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: St Olave Bermondsey
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 171 (click to see others on page)





sylvia

Thank you jax for the above. Frances Wing was Francis' wife and she died on 19 Sept 1904 of cervical cancer age 66.

Name: Frances Wing
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1904
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: St Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 107 (click to see others on page)

Oh thank you for the swift replies. I had already found this information, but I reckon that this is Frances (she was born in West Hoathly in 1837 and would have been around 33 at the time of the 1881 census) with her children. The person who wrote the details on the Census records most likely made a spelling mistake. In the 1861 census Frances is recorded as Sarah and Francis as Frances! Another strange thing is that apart from Frank Wing, I can't find any of his siblings in the 1881 census records.