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Had a look at the image on SP. What the certificate says
Alexnadrina Mary Weir (Campbell) was born at 11hr. 30m. PM on Fourth June 1876 at 49 Richard Street, Glasgow. (No father named) Mother Mary Weir, Domestic Servant, widow of James Campbell, Iron Works Carter who died on 15th. December 1871 (Domicil: 49 Whitevale Street, Glasgow) The informant was Mary Campbell, Mother. The birth was registered on 22nd. June 1876 at Glasgow by John Hamilton, Registrar.


So it looks to me that Mary was living at Whitevale Street (Camlachie Reg. District) although her child was born at Richard Street (Anderston Reg. District) The image that I looked at was the Anderston District one and there is RCE (register of corrected enties) note on it. These are often added if there has been proof of paternity provided at a later date.

EDIt
Sorry that should have said NO RCE on the certificate.

Hi rootgather,

Susan has said that it says "mother" for the informant, Mary Campbell, so Mary Campbell and Mary Weir are the same person?

Sorry, I should also have said that if both those birth registrations refer to the same child then one was made in the area of her birth and the other in the area of her mother's usual residence.

If the informant was Mary Campbell on Alexandrina's birth certificate it should say the relationship to the child. That would be normally be done on Scottish birth registrations.

Sorry, Susan, no luck with George (or Alexander!). I can only find one George (or Alexander) Anderson of the right age in 1871 who had an occupation anything like George's but he is still in Scotland with his wife in 1881.

I am pretty sure that birth is your Alexandrina's - mother's maiden name is correct and she could be named for her father but, sadly, no way of proving it.

Hi Potty Yes I think you could be right Potty a brick wall???? Someone sent me some info for an Alexandrina Hyatt died Sept 1939 in Camberwell London I think this could be my Alexandrina as she married a William Hyatt. I must admit I am very confused with it all to be honest I thought that when I purchased the birth cert and found Marys maiden name it would be a little bit simpler than its actually been.

Thank you very much Potty for all the time and trouble you have shown me in tring to locate The Andersons!!!!
And thank you for still trying the find my elusive George.

Chat soon

Kind regards

Susan

Hi Susan

That birth reg is a bit confusing and really doesn't get us any further!

I am not sure if it means that Mary Campbell is Mary Weir's mother or if she is Alexandrina's mother! On all the birth registrations that I have looked at it is the relationship of the informant to the child that is given. If that is so on this one, it would seem that Mary Weir has married a Campbell and then had a child by another man.

I cannot find a death for Alexandrina Mary Weir b1876 in Scotland neither can I find her on the 1881 census; also there are no marriages in Scotland. So, she could be your Alexandrina.

I have also looked at 49 Richard Street in the 1871 and 1881 but no Weirs, Campbells or Andersons living there then.

I think we have reached a brick wall with this Susan. There are too many George and Alexander Andersons to pick out the right one.

I will post a new thread on this board to see if anyone with more knowledge of Scottish birth regs has any thoughts about Alexandrina's and I am still looking for George (trying to find one who disappears from the Scottish census after1871).

Hello Potty thats absolutley fine have checked again and yes she is listed as the informant


Susan

Susan

Sorry not to have posted yesterday - have been very busy with our local museum.

Mary Campbell, is she shown as the informant? Have to go offline now, but will look back in later.

Hi Potty have looked on Scotlandspeople and you are right those 2 births are one of the same child Alexandrina Mary Weir. The image showed me that she was illegitimate born on JUne 4th at 49 Richard Street Glasgow born to Mary Weir a Domestic Servant then it says Mary Campbell Mother?

Kind regards

Susan

Hi Potty thank you for your help its becoming a little clearer now I think I possibly have found a death for my Alexandrina in London in Sept 1939.

No thats fine I undertand about keeping all the info together, just need to organise myself a little better.
No I havent bought the credits yet have been rather busy but I will, when you buy them is there a time limit on them.??

Kind regards#


Susan

Sorry to have confused you Susan.

I know your Alexandrina died in England. When I found the above birth(s) for an Alexandrina Weir, I then looked for her on the Scottish census (to eliminate her) but I could not find her; then I looked for a death and could not find that either.

So, there was an Alexandrina Weir born about the same time as your Alexandrina (whose mother, from the birth cert of her sister, was Mary Weir) who then "disappears" from Scottish records. That is why I wonder if those births could be your Alexandrina and suggested that you look at those birth registrations on Scotlandspeople. If she was illegitimate and her mother was Mary Weir, we have probably found your Alexandrina's birth and possibly George and Mary never married.

Hope things are clearer now.

Re your PM, I would prefer to keep posting to this thread, rather than use PMs, as it keeps all the info together.

Have you bought credits on scotlandspeople yet?

Hi Potty there will not be a death for her inScotland because she was in England and someone found a marriage for her in 1901 she married a William Hyatt and thery were both witnesess at Mary Anns wedding in 1901 I have that on the marriage cert that I have just purchased.

Kind regards

Susan

Cannot find Alexandrina b1876 Glasgow on the 1881 Scotland census nor can I find a death for her in Scotland between 1876 and 1881.

Hi Potty Wow thanks for that you have been busy do you think this is my Mary Weirs family why she doesnt appear in 1881 she then appears in1881 in england with George, Alexandriana?? and Mary Ann.

Thanks everybody for all this help will keep searching

Kind regards

Sue

I have told Susan by PM that I will post all the previous censuses for Mary Weir. I have also suggested that she look at the two births for Alexandrina in 1875. I have a feeling they refer to the same person and if she is shown as illegitimate and the daughter of Mary Weir, she could be the Alexandrina we are looking for.

1851 Scotland Census
about Mary Weir
Name: Mary Weir
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Alexander Weir
Mother's Name: Cathrine Weir
Gender: Female
Where born: Stralachlan, Argyll
Parish Number: 534
Civil parish: Strachur and Stralachlan
County: Argyll
Address: Seph?? Shapel
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_113
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Weir 51
Cathrine Weir 42
Ann Weir 16
Donald Weir 14
Mary Weir 12
Hugh Weir 10
John Weir 8
Cathrine Weir 6
Alexander Weir 4
Margaret Weir 1
Alexander Mcdougold 55
John Craford 41

1861 Scotland Census
about Mary Weir
Name: Mary Weir
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Alexr Weir
Mother's Name: Catherine Weir
Gender: Female
Where born: Stralachlan, Argyle
Registration Number: 534/1
Registration district: Stralachlan
Civil parish: Stralachlan
County: Argyll
Address: Lephinchaple
Occupation: Farmer's Daur
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1861_71
Household Members: Name Age
Alexr Weir 61
Catherine Weir 51
Donald Weir 24
Mary Weir 22
John Weir 18
Catherine Weir 16
Alexr Weir 14
Margaret Weir 10


1841 Scotland Census
about Mary Weir
Name: Mary Weir
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Argyll, Scotland

Civil parish: Strachur and Stralachlan
County: Argyll
Address: Lephinchapel Farm
Parish Number: 534
Household Members: Name Age
Alexr Weir 35
Cathrine Weir 30
Anne Weir 6
Donald Weir 5
Mary Weir 4
Hugh Weir 1
Alexr Mcdougal 20
Dugd Mclachlan 10
Mary Black 20

No Mary with the family in 1881:

1881 Scotland Census
about Donald Weir
Name: Donald Weir
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Head
Mother's Name: Catherine Weir
Gender: Male
Where born: Stralachlan G, Argyllshire
Registration Number: 534/1
Registration district: Stralachlan
Civil parish: Stralachlan
County: Argyll
Address: Lephinchaple
Occupation: Farmer
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_156
Household Members: Name Age
Donald Weir 40
Catherine Weir 70
Ann Weir 41
Hugh Weir 37
Alexr Weir 33
Maggie Weir 30

Hello Potty thank you very much for all the time and effort you have gone too possibly this could be my Mary I have her in the 1881 Census here in England is that possibly when they came do you think??? As I said before Alexandrina also Alexandriana and also has been spelt Alexandria???? Its proving a little bit of a mystery and STILL NO marriage for them??

Kind regards

Susan

scotlandspeople has two births for Alexandrina Weir in Glasgow in 1876:

1 1876 WEIR ALEXANDRINA MAR F ANDERSTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 0771
2 1876 WEIR ALEXANDRINA MAR F CAMLACHIE GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/02 0878

These two both seem have Mary as a second name. It might be worth looking at the images to see who the parents are.

I wonder if this Mary. I can find her on all the censuses from 1841 to 1871 but not in 1881. Stralachlan is about 13 miles from Kilmun, which she seems to have given as her POB on one of the censuses:

1871 Scotland Census
about Mary Weir
Name: Mary Weir
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Alexr Weir
Mother's Name: Catherine Weir
Gender: Female
Where born: Stralachlan, Argyll
Registration Number: 534/1
Registration district: Stralachlan
Civil parish: Stralachlan
County: Argyll
Address: Lephinchaple
Occupation: Farmer's Daur
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 13
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1871_92
Household Members: Name Age
Alexr Weir 71
Catherine Weir 60
Ann Weir 34
Donald Weir 33
Mary Weir 32
Alexr Weir 25
Margaret Weir 19

Still cannot find a marriage for George and Mary.

Hello Helen I will do that I know they do seem a good age when the girls were born!!! will keep looking

Kind regards


Susan