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idle thoughts are about all I have left. It says on the memorial 'In memory of the men of this village who died in two world wars'

Six listed for WW1 and 1 for WW11.

I can't find a cyril born there.

i can't find a Cyril living there on any census.

So maybe he changed his name as you said earlier.
I think it is a case for the Village historians.

thanks for ruling Cyril B C Beck out Astra -


there must be some info somewhere of when the memorial was erected, by whom and details of the people listed on it - they weren't just plucked out of the air. Is there a local history society ?


would the local authority have records ?


Idle thoughts ....

I've just looked at a picture of the memorial on the net. He is definitely listed but only as Cyril Sprules on the image shown. So where does the BC come from??

http://www.ww2museums.com/article/16735/War-Memorial-Bourton-on-the-Hill-Church.htm

'The name on the memorial is quite definitely Cyril B C Sprules.'

Yes Anthea I think we all understood that, else what were we doing here.

The fact that a person used a name does not mean that the name they used was their name, and when no record can be found of a name that a person used, experienced searchers will consider the possibility that the person was using a name other than their own name.

this happens when children of unmarried parents adopt their stepfather's (or biological father's) surname, just as one example.

anthea

go to

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1209353?d=desc

this is victor's thread and if anyone can help it is him. he requires a pm.

problem is we do not have any other record so no date of birth
no place of birth
no definite first name
very few sprules connected with bourton on the hill

doubt about his surname.
nothing conrete enough for a wildcard search

i really think the best way to go is via victor at the archives

anthea it would be helpful if you could post the full inscription

Just popping in here as i was looking at this earlier before i had to go out.
Cyril Blackwell C Beck ended up as Cyril Cutler. His mother I think was Jane Beck and she married John Blackwell Cutler in 1889. I also looked at another Cyril CB who was in Moreton on the Marsh.......I can't bring his surname to mind but i think it began with W. He appears to have been a bank clerk and had a daughter in 1917. There is no service record for him and I couldn't find a link to the name Sprules.
EDIT: WADLEY was his name.

Thank you all for your suggestions but I fear none of them help. The name on the memorial is quite definitely Cyril B C Sprules. Before this I tried the CWGC website with no luck. I have tried Glousestershire sites with no response which is where I had hoped someone with liocal knowledge would help

choccy you are a woman after my heart

that is exactly my thought and why I have been poring over records at freebmd looking for some other Cyril CB

LadyKira the C Sprules you have posted

SPRULES , C H Private 21611 20/10/1918 33 Devonshire Regiment United Kingdom B. 10. BETHENCOURT COMMUNAL CEMETERY

is the one discussed early on and then ruled out by Andy, his name was Charles


his cwgc record says

Son of Henry and Annie Sprules, of 69, Overton, Marlborough, Wilts.
age 33


on page 1 Andy posted

Henry Sprules 43
Ann Sprules 53
>>>Charles H E Sprules 16
Ellen M Sprules 14
Annie Sprules 12
Gertrude Sprules 8

1891 in Overton

William Sprules 28
Julia Sprules 28
Mary E Sprules 4


1901 in Overton

William Sprules 38
Julia Sprules 38
Mary E Sprules 14


1911

SPRULES WILLIAM M 1864 47 Marlborough Wiltshire
SPRULES JULIA F 1864 47 Marlborough Wiltshire
SPRULES CHARLIE M 1874 37 Marlborough Wiltshire
SPRULES GEORGE M 1891 20 Marlborough Wiltshire


Charlie and George are the ones in the household with Elsie in 1901?

Name: Charles Sprules
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Grandson
>> it makes no sense that he is grandson when Louisa 28 is daughter
Gender: Male
Where born: Fyfield, Wiltshire, England

Name: George Sprules
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Grandson
Mother's name: Louisa Sprules
Gender: Male
Where born: Overton, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: West Overton


Births Dec 1869
Sprules Charles Marlbro' 5a 78

Births Sep 1890
Sprules George Marlbro' 5a 89


1891

Stephen Sprules 63
Mary Sprules 60
Charles Sprules 21 >> son of Mary not grandson .....
Louise Sprules 20
George Sprules 10


1881

Stephen Sprules 55
Mary Sprules 52
William Sprules 19
James Sprules 17
Emily Sprules 14
Charles Sprules 11
Louisa Sprules 10


I have not the slightest idea whether any of these people are related to Cyril Sprules, but it seemed logical if we are considering Elsie to trace that family back and identify all its members who could be a parent of Cyril for example.

I don't have a problem LadyKira apart from thinking as many people do that seemingly random records posted in threads are as likely to confuse and mislead posters looking for help as not, that is my sole reason for asking about such seemingly random records.

there are only a hahandful of sprules ww1

could cyril be charles

Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919 - soldier details
Name: Charles SPRULES Memorial Scroll


Rank: PRIVATE

Initials: C

Birthplace: Marlborough, Wilts

Residence:

Enlisted: Marlborough

Regiment, Corps etc.: Devonshire Regiment

Battalion etc.: 1st Battalion.

4.8.14 Jersey. 21.8.14 landed at Havre. 14.9.14 to 8th Bde. 3rd Div. 30.9.14 to 14th Bde. 5th Div. 12.1.16 to 95th Bde. 5th Div. 27.11.17 entrained for Italy, arrived 4 Dec. 3 to 7.4.18 returned to France. 11.11.18 95th Bde. 5th Div. France; Le Quesnoy.


Number: 21611

Date died: 20 October 1918

How died: Killed in action

Theatre of war: France & Flanders

perhaps he wasn't born Sprules - I keep being drawn to this chap - I can't find him on any census and I can't see a marriage or death for him -

just something to throw into the pot -


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Cyril Blackwell C Beck
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Richmond Sry
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 387


perhaps someone can find him to eliminate ?

that is the book ann and as bourton on the hill is part of moreton in the marsh they may well have come across him. a copy is in the gloucester archives.

I wonder if any of the armed forces would have records?

There is an email address of a sprules researcher in overton and fyfield on the kit withers website

http://kitwithers.fortunecity.com/liddiard/liddiard.html

i know this is a current site as Kit and I have many ancestors in common.

could this be the book?

This book was written by Ken Fowler and Guy Stapleton (a copy is available in the Record Office library). They began work on the book in July 1999 and completed it in 2000. This collection consists of five folders of research notes, copy photographs and photocopies of personal papers of the individual soldiers killed.
Mr Fowler and Mr Stapleton tell the story of the 106 men who lived, worked or trained locally and whose names appear on the memorials in Moreton's High Street and church and in the RAF cemetery. These include 44 men who died in World War One, 8 men who died after their return, 7 men killed in World War Two, and 41 aircrew buried in the RAF cemetery at Moreton.
Details of the men include unit, rank, regimental number, awards, name and address of parents, date and place sent on active service, date and cause of death, and details about the place of commemoration

sorry
had to nip out to the doctors

not sure what your problem is chrissie

we normally work well together.
i saw what you posted but to be honest none of us have hit the mark so we are all following different rrains of thought with the aim of finding him.


Andrew was a bit quicker than me today as i am still onehanded but we were using different sources so slightly fuller info on FMP.

If you read my link some has done research on the war memorial before and published a book but i could not see his name there. i think Anthea needs to find this from maybe her library.

Victor also goes to the gloucester archives each week and has a look up thread.
he may well be able to help.

"give it a rest" refers to you keep finding fault with everything I post

I'm sorry, Ann of green gables, I am at a loss to udnerstand your comments

I was the first person to post in this thread (after it had been on the board an hour) and have tried rather hard to help

no one seems to have paid any attention to the information I have posted

including Anthea, of course

so I will leave her in your fine hands