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ok looked at that tree.

looks like they are researching from descendants of henry so have some documentation

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about Henry K Peacock Name: Henry K Peacock
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Birth Place: Russia
Age: 40
Date of Arrival: 24 Aug 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Antonia
also tells us he was a merchant travelling from london on busines
and has citizenship in london
he was single and previously visited canada in 1918

i would be very care careful with other trees.

there is one on ancestry who does not know details of her own grandmother
ranks herself as an expert
erroneously attaches herslf to OH's tree
on investigation she has greek god and goddesses in her tree.

other trees may help but they may also be in error.

prove everything yourself.

remote chance


1841 census - household transcription
Person: PEACOCK, -
Address: Piccadilly, Manchester
HEWITT, Henry M 40 1801
HEWITT, Elizabeth F 30 1811
HEWITT, Henry M 15 1826
HEWITT, Alice F 0 (2 months) 1841 Lancashire
WEBSTER, Betsey F 25 1816 Lancashire
BURTON, Ann F 20 1821
WHYATT, John M 30 1811
MILLER, John M 20 1821
KYLAN, William M 15 1826 Ireland
KELLY, Margaret F 20 1821 Ireland
GRIFFITHS, Elizabeth F 30 1811
OWEN, Ellen F 25 1816
BULLEN, Joseph M 30 1811
JONES, Abraham M 20 1821 Scotland
WILSON, Edward M 25 1816 Lancashire
TOWNSEND, Harriett F 20 1821 Lancashire
COGLAN, William M 20 1821 Ireland
CUTHBERT, John M 30 1811 Not Known
-, - M 25 1816 Not Known
ROBERTS, - M 30 1811 Not Known
HILDERTON, John M 25 1816 Not Known
HAYTROW, - M 25 1816 Not Known
EDWARDS, - M 25 1816 Not Known
JEFFRIES, - M 25 1816 Not Known
PEACOCK, - M 20 1821 Not Known
EDDIE, - M 20 1821 Not Known

describes himself as a traveller.

To be honest, I'm wondering whether

a) Charles Peacock on the 1841 has just been chosen because he was born ca 1820 ......... he's a Blacksmith! Nothing mentioned about beign a farmer.


b) where the information came from that Demetrius' father was called Charles, and his father was called Charles



That Emory tree does not seem to have any documentation!




sylvia

I can find no Charles Peacock born Manchester ca 1820 who was the son of a farmer ..... the only one of that age that I found was living with his mother in Manchester, father not present, and occupation Blacksmith.


The 1841 Census does not give relationships, or status, so no way of telling whether the older woman was a widow or not, or even whether she was that Charles Peacock's mother.


I can find no marriage around 1841 + / - 5 years in Lancashire for a Charles Peacock.


I cna find no Charles Peacock b. ca 1820 on either the Lancs opc site nor the familysearch site.



I did find the Rod Emory tree on ancestry, and note that it mentions the name of "Dmitri" mother


Charles Peacock
Birth in Lancashire, England
Death in Russia

Spouse & Children

Concordia Schlegel

Dmitri Rudolf Peacock
1842 – 1892



It wuld be good to know just where the evidence came from for his birth in Lancashire.


There are many more Charles Peacocks from other parts of the UK than from Manchester



and Manchester, even in 1820, was not exactly a place of farms!




sylvia

Hi Sylvia in Canada! Thanks for helping.

I think you're right.

I now have it that Charles Peacock, the father of Demetrius Rudolf Peacock (1842-1892) - was born in 1820 in Manchester, Lancashire according to the 1841 census.

Also, in the Emory Family Tree it notes: Charles Peacock, Birth: Lancashire. Death: Russia.

So that must be him.

When Charles Peacock left Lancashire for Russia, he had just got married to a local girl, and apparently he was 'unemployed' at the time - though I don't know why this was so, in view of the fact that his father was a farmer in Lancashire.

Charles would have left for Tambov Province (Oblast) in Russia in about 1843. He was responding to the Jobs Vacant section in his local Lancashire newspaper.

I don't know the name of his wife of his mother.

Best Wishes,
Allan

Allan


Have you got your dates correct for Demetrius' father??


This is on the new familysearch site, death of Demetrius, and it says he was born in 1842 .................. which doesn't fit with what you said about his father Charles being born ca 1837


record title: Russia Deaths and Burials, 1815-1917

name: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock
gender: Male
death date: 11 May 1892
death place: Odessa, Russia
age: 50
birth date: 1842
occupation: Consul General,Odessa
indexing project (batch) number: B01499-1
system origin: Russia-EASy
source film number: 1494318



His father would have had to have been born at least by 1822.

I can find no Charles Peacocks from Lancashire.



sylvia

Glad to be of assistance, Allan.
Regards
Lynne

Lynne! You're a marvel!

Thank you so much.

I knew I had an Uncle 'Willie' in Canada who was my mother's brother. He had a son, Danny or Daniel - but that's all.

You've also discovered Mary Peacock and others that I never knew of.

I'm now going to add these names to the huge chart I've been making of my family tree.

It's great that you've also unturfed my mother's mother's name, as this now allows me to start tracing my French Connection.

My mother's cousins were Simone and Lucien, living respectively in the village of Sos in southern France, and in Agen in the province of Lot-et-Garonne.

I'll be chasing these up.

I'm hoping to be able to present our family tree to my 36yo niece who doesn't know I'm doing this.

The last time she visited me she asked about her family tree, and I gave her a miserably poor little chart that I had made up years ago - full of errors and very skinny on information.

After she had left, I felt I had let her down badly. She deserves better than that. She herself had studied hard to get a doctorate in science, and I felt I should at least make the effort to present her with a halfway decent Family Tree chart.

Thanks heaps, Lynne!

Allan

And finally, the last one? -

Charles Albert Peacock

Russia Births and Baptisms, 1755-1917

birth: 18 Jun 1880 — Village Diadina of the District of Tovjok ... of ..., Russia
residence: Russia
parents: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock, Takano Bakunine

record title: Russia Births and Baptisms, 1755-1917
name: Charles Albert Peacock
gender: Male
birth date: 18 Jun 1880
birthplace: Village Diadina of the District of Tovjok ... of ..., Russia
father's name: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock
mother's name: Takano Bakunine
indexing project (batch) number: C00736-9
system origin: Russia-EASy
source film number: 1494318

6 children -
Charles Albert, 1880
Elias Herbert, 1881
Henry Kartchkhal, 1883
Elizabeth, 1885
Mary, 1887
Evelyn Tamara, 1891

And another? -

Mary Peacock

Russia Births and Baptisms, 1755-1917

birth: 15 Oct 1887 — Batum (Batum), Kutais, Russia
residence: Batum (Batum), Kutais, Russia
parents: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock, Fatiana Bakunine

record title: Russia Births and Baptisms, 1755-1917
name: Mary Peacock
gender: Female
birth date: 15 Oct 1887
birthplace: Batum (Batum), Kutais, Russia
name note: Registered 24 Dec 1887
father's name: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock
mother's name: Fatiana Bakunine
indexing project (batch) number: C00671-7
system origin: Russia-EASy
source film number: 1494325

Another child? -

Evelyn Tamara Peacock

Russia Births and Baptisms, 1755-1917

birth: 13 Jan 1891 — Batum (Batum), Kutais, Russia
residence: Batum (Batum), Kutais, Russia
parents: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock, Fatiana Bakunine

record title: Russia Births and Baptisms, 1755-1917
name: Evelyn Tamara Peacock
gender: Female
birth date: 13 Jan 1891
birthplace: Batum (Batum), Kutais, Russia
father's name: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock
mother's name: Fatiana Bakunine
indexing project (batch) number: C00671-7
system origin: Russia-EASy
source film number: 1494325

Hi, Allan.
I have found this and wonder if it is somehow connected? He was born in Russia and Eliah could be wrongly written Elias? If it is right then it gives the name of his wife - Odilla Sarrot?


Eliah Herbert Peacock

British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986

spouse: Odillia Sarrot

record title: British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986
death date: 05 Dec 1957
death place: Queen Charlotte City, British Columbia, Canada
name: William Herbert Peacock
gender: Male
age: 49y
birth date: 19 May 1908
birthplace: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia Russia
marital status: Married
spouse: Otellia Madelina Loran
father: Eliah Herbert Peacock
mother: Odillia Sarrot
digital folder number: 4437628
british columbia archives film number: B13235
registration number: 57 09 013753

Thank you Lynne.

There should be two more siblings besides Charles, Henry, Elias Herbert, and Elizabeth.

I would like to know the name of Elias Herbert's wife, who was French. She began the French line of my family tree. Her sister's name was Madeleine.

Regards,
Allan

Just to confirm -

Elizabeth Peacock Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
08 JUL 1885 Turum Caucasus, , Russia, Ussr
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Demetrius Rudolph Peacock Family
Mother: Tatiana Bakunine

Yes Lynne - Henry and Elias Herbert are definitely brothers. Elizabeth Peacock I didn't know of.

Demetrius Rudolph Peacock managed a farming estate in Mashuk, Russia for the owner, Mikhail Ivanovich Petrunkevich - who was married to a Yelizaveta.

Demetrius's father was Charles Peacock (born c1837) who around 1860 arrived in Russia from Lancashire to fill a job vacancy as a farm manager.

His father was a Lancashire farmer, also named Charles Peacock, born c1814.

Are these children of Demetrius?

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Sylvia in Canada - I don't know if Herbert was educated in England. My mother never once mentioned he had been educated in England.

Well done, Lynne! :)

That's definitely him.

Tatiana's father was Ilya Bakunin who I believe was the brother of Mikhail Aleksandrovich Bakunin, the Anarchist.

A grand-niece of Bakunin was Tatiana Ossorguine-Bakounine who lived in Paris as a Russian emigre. She wrote a book : 'L'Emigration Russe en France... '

was Herbert educated in England?