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Sorry, I meant Halifax - don't know why I keep getting them mixed up - better get me that wet kipper!

Flip, my 'likkle friend',

You keep saying Wakefield, rather than Halifax? - Are they the same place??

Dea x

You are right, he was a dyer (unemployed) on an earlier census, and the Thomas I tracked to Wakefield 1891, Stockport 1901-1911 was also a dyer.

Lambert, the other Thomas you tracked was an ag. labourer then a driller at iron works. He ended up as a publican at the Old Noggin Inn, Risley on 1911 census, the original makes interesting reading! They even listed their 2 dead children.

Sorry Dea, guess our posts crossed.

Thanks LK but, as Flip says, - those marriages are for yet another Thomas.

We need to hang on untl we hear from Lambert or this will get confused even further - then we need to concentrate first on the 2 Thomas's he already has so that we can find out exactly which one he should be following.

Dea x

P.S. - The occupation of Dyer follows through to the one who went to Halifax, who was with father Joseph on 1881.

The one Lambert is following was an Iron Driller!

Dea x

on the 1881 that Lambert started with Thomas was a dyer and I think that could be the clue.

Think this iss the Thomas on the 1891 census, with parents Joseph & Elizabeth, but the one Lambert was looking for had mother Jane, and is 10 years older than this one:

Thomas Houghton
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Agricultural Labourer
Address Lord Street
District Warrington, Winwick
Parish Croft
Administrative County Lancashire
Birth Place Croft
Birth County Lancashire

I realise that but I am making sure we can eliminate them. I think you are on the right track too Flip.

I think these 2 marriages are for a yet another different Thomas, the age is wrong as he was 24 according to the 1883 marriage. The one we were trying to eliminate was married to Mary Ann, and found on census with her.

but he was the son of joseph as was this one

Marriage: 8 Aug 1891 Christ Church, Croft, Lancashire, England
Thomas Houghton - 22 Labourer Bachelor of Croft
Alice Johnson - 20 Spinster of Winwick
Groom's Father: Joseph Houghton, Labourer
Bride's Father: Joseph Johnson, Signalman
Witness: Thomas Johnson; Alice Shaw
Married by Banns by: Thos. P. Kirkman
Register: Marriages 1845 - 1936, Page 123, Entry 245
Source: FHL Film 2068610

Thomas of Croft remarried

Marriage: 21 May 1896 Christ Church, Croft, Lancashire, England
Thomas Houghton - 26 Labourer Widower of Croft
Clara Jane Rydings - 20 Spinster of Croft
Groom's Father: Joseph Houghton, Labourer
Bride's Father: Chapman Rydings, Overlooker
Witness: John Shaw; Alice Houghton
Married by Banns by: Henry I. Wadeson Rector
Register: Marriages 1845 - 1936, Page 136, Entry 272
Source: FHL Film 2068610


1891 census - household transcription
Person: RYDINGS, Chapman
Address: 296, St Helens Road, Over Hulton, Edge Fold
RYDINGS, Chapman Head Widow F 42 1849 Retired Grocer
Failsworth
Lancashire
RYDINGS, Clare J Daughter F 15 1876 Grocers Assistant
Manchester
Lancashire
RYDINGS, John C Son M 5 1886 Scholar
Bolton
Lancashire

1901 census - household transcription
Person: HOUGHTON, Clara J
Address: 15, Herfoot Street, Leigh
HOUGHTON, Thomas Head Married M 31 1870 Coal Carter
Croft
Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Clara J Wife Married F 26 1875
Manchester
Lancashire
HOUGHTON, William Son Single M 4 1897
Croft
Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Walter Son Single M 2 1899
Culcheth
Lancashire

I am certain you have gone a little bit astray here with your tree - this is very easily done, and I DO hope I have not offended you by saying this !

The only thing to decide now is which Thomas is it you are wanting to follow?

We can then help you to put it right .

If you would like us to help, can you tell us how you have worked back through the Houghton line?

Dea x

Bingo!!!!!!!

From Lancs OPC site !

Marriage: 16 Aug 1883 Christ Church, Croft, Lancashire, England
Thomas Houghton - 24 Labourer Bachelor of Croft
Mary Ann Turner - 22 Spinster of Thornham, Middleton
Groom's Father: John Houghton, Labourer
Bride's Father: Thomas Turner, Fustian Cutter
Witness: John Houghton; Jane Houghton
Married by Banns by: Tho. P. Kirkman
Register: Marriages 1845 - 1936, Page 106, Entry 211
Source: FHL Film 2068610

This is the Thomas you are following Lambert - I think you will agree, he is NOT the son of Joseph ??

Dea x

I too believe that is the one Lambert is following - I have also followed him back to John + Margaret. - I do not believe this is the one with Joseph on 1881 !!

Lambert,

Do you have the marriage cert for Thomas Houghton to Mary Ann Turner?

HOUGHTON Thomas TURNER Mary A Croft, Christ Church Warrington C4/1/211

Marriages Sep 1883
Dean Jane Warrington 8c 171
**Houghton Thomas Warrington 8c 171
Lythgoe William Warrington 8c 171
**Turner Mary Ann Warrington 8c 171

I am sure it will tell you that Thomas's father is John !

Dea x

I think this may be the Thomas you are looking at, the 1891 census has him born Croft, so this could be him 1881 in Leigh:

UNSWORTH, Sarah Head Widow F 63 1818 Farmer Of 39 Acres Emp 2 Lab
Dalton
Cheshire VIEW
DAXON, James Son In Law Married M 28 1853 Farmers Son
Croft
Lancashire VIEW
DAXON, Jane Daughter Married F 24 1857 Farmers Sons Wife
Croft
Lancashire VIEW
DAXON, Charles H Grand Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Culcheth
Lancashire VIEW
DAXON, Sarah Grand Daughter Single F 3 1878
Culcheth
Lancashire VIEW
DAXON, Mary A Grand Daughter Single F 2 1879
Culcheth
Lancashire VIEW
>>>HOUGHTON, Thomas Servant Single M 22 1859 Farm Servant (Indoor)
Croft
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, John Servant Single M 14 1867 Farm Servant (Indoor)
Croft
Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3804 Folio:
83 Page:
17

Registration District:
Leigh Sub District:
Culcheth Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Culcheth Municipal Borough:
Address:
Orchard Farm, Cinder Lane, Culcheth County:
Lancashire


And in 1871, with parents John (47) and Margaret (47) plus a number of other children, they were all born Croft: Father was ag. labourer

Thomas Houghton
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Address Old Smithy Cottages
District Warrington, Winwick
Parish Southworth With Croft
Administrative County Lancashire
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Dea & Flip!
Checked it out! !881 census shows Joseph and son Thomas living at Cockhedge Lane Warrington. 1891 census shows Thomas and his wife Mary Ann living in Croft Nr Warrington with young son Thomas age 4yrs but no father Joseph! 1901 Shows Thomas and Mary Ann together with their son Thomas now age 14yrs living in Leigh Lancashire.
We can't concur with the Halifax info! But thanks anyway! Joseph still in Limbo!
Cheers! Lambert

DO let us know how you get on Lambert - I am sure that 1890 death cert will be the one.

Dea x

Dea/Flip Got your messages and am seriously checking them out!

Many thanks! Lambert

wonder how these fit in

1891 census - address transcription
Address: 78, Cockhedge Lane, Warrington

125 HOUGHTON, Anna Head Widow F 30 1861 Fustian Cutter
Stockton Heath
Cheshire
125 HOUGHTON, Samuel Thomas Son Single M 13 1878 Scholar
Warrington
Lancashire
125 HOUGHTON, John Son Single M 4 1887
Warrington
Lancashire
125 HOUGHTON, Catherine Daughter F 1 1890
Warrington
Lancashire

1871 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Elizabeth
Address: Cockhedge Lane, Warrington
COOPER, Alfred Head M 24 1847 Cheshire
COOPER, Elizabeth Wife F 25 1846 Lancashire
COOPER, John Son M 2 1869 Lancashire

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)

COOPER Alfred Warrington 8c 184
HOUGHTON Elizabeth Warrington 8c 184