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so this is your thomas who married mary ann

1901 census - household transcription
Person: HOUGHTON, Thomas
Address: 47, Rydal Street, Leigh
HOUGHTON, Thomas Head Married M 42 1859 Iron Machine Driller
Croft Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Mary A Wife Married F 40 1861
Thornham Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Herbert Son Single M 16 1885 Pork Butcher
Croft Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Thomas Son Single M 14 1887 Hardware Shop Assistant
Croft Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Jane Daughter Single F 12 1889
Croft Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Harold Son Single M 10 1891
Croft Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Margaret Daughter Single F 8 1893
Croft Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Florence Daughter Single F 7 1894
Croft Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Fred Son Single M 4 1897
Croft Lancashire
HOUGHTON, Jessie Daughter Single F 2 1899
Croft Lancashire



1911 census - household transcription
Person: HOUGHTON, Thomas
Address: The Old Noggin Inn Risley Warrington
HOUGHTON, Thomas Head Married M 52 1859 Publican Croft Lanc
HOUGHTON, Mary Ann Wife Married
28 years F 49 1862 Rochdale Lanc
HOUGHTON, Harold Son Single M 20 1891 Iron Driller Foundry Croft Lanc
HOUGHTON, Margaret Alice Daughter Single F 19 1892 Waitress Croft Lanc
HOUGHTON, Fred Son Single M 14 1897 Farm Labourer Croft Lanc
HOUGHTON, Jessie Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Croft Lanc

How do you explain why the Parish Records show that the Thomas who married Mary Ann Turner had a father called John??


From Lancs OPC site !

Marriage: 16 Aug 1883 Christ Church, Croft, Lancashire, England
Thomas Houghton - 24 Labourer Bachelor of Croft
Mary Ann Turner - 22 Spinster of Thornham, Middleton
Groom's Father: John Houghton, Labourer
Bride's Father: Thomas Turner, Fustian Cutter
Witness: John Houghton; Jane Houghton
Married by Banns by: Tho. P. Kirkman
Register: Marriages 1845 - 1936, Page 106, Entry 211
Source: FHL Film 2068610

Dea x

Dea & Flip,
Sorry i have taken so long to get back to you, but I honestly thought I had posted this lot off. I can however say that our Thomas (Joseph's son) didn't live in Halifax or Yorkshire for that matter, he married a Mary Ann Turner from Thornham, Rochdale, Lancs and lived in Croft Warrington as a one time publican of a very popular Inn. There is a family grave in Croft Unitarian Cemetery where all the Houghton family from this period are buried, the Thomas in question lived to a ripe old age of 84yrs in 1943, his son Thomas passed away in 1938 age 53yrs.
The 1891 census for our Thomas is:
Thomas Houghton age 32.....wife Mary Ann (nee Turner) age 30
Herbert (son) age 6yrs.....Thomas (son) age 4yrs...Jane (dau) age 2yrs
Harold (son) age 1 yr. All residing in Croft Lancashire Reg.District Warrington
1861 census shows Joseph and wife Jane (nee Lathom) with children Elizabeth - Ann Jane - Samuel (named after Josephs father) and son Thomas! (Elizabeth married an Alfred Cooper)
1871 census shows Joseph, Jane, daughter Ann Jane and son Thomas.
1881 census shows Joseph, Jane, son Thomas and two grandsons John and Joseph Cooper the latter being the sons of Joseph's deceased daughter Elizabeth and Alfred Cooper. John died young and Joseph was later adopted by a family named Lloyd from Burtonwood Warrington. Joseph's wife Jane died in 1882 and is buried along with her daughter Elizabeth and her son John Cooper in "Walton le Dale Cemetery, Manchester Rd Warrington" From this date on WE have NO further sightings of Joseph Houghton!

Cheers for now! Lambert

Dan B ???

Dea Xxx

Think if your read Dan B novel you'll find ALL the answers!

OOOOOOhhhh !! Flip !!

I have that Milan birth !!!!!!

You are VERY naughty !!

Don't worry - I have give it up !!

BUT - Your Milan birth may just have sparked me into action now !!! (tee hee!!!)

It's all your fault !

Dea Xxx

Oh Dea give it up,

take a chill Pill (or glass of wine, that usually works for me in the circumstances). I think the son Thomas was really born Milan 1766, father Guseppi, mother Mary Magdaline. They only had one son, but he didn't live much past his 30's

I am giving up now !!

HAVE loads of info but will keep it for a week or so and then bin it !!

Dea Xxx

Are you there Lambert + Betty ???

Dea Xxx

Yes, I have seen that LK - I am leaving this alone 'till Lambert comes back with some info!

The tree has 'gone wrong' somewhere and while I am happy to try to help him sort it - I am totally wasting my time at the moment.

Dea Xxx

well you would think he would be more familiar with his grandfather than furthur back. his info on grandfather says born in croft and moved to leigh so i have themon 1901 and 1911.


i have also found a tree on ancestry for thomas and mary ann with their children

Actualy - NO I am not !!!!

I will leave this alone until we hear from Lambert!

This is 'silly' !

Dea x

I am doing it as we speak !!

Dea x

Difficult, you'd need to work back and we don't know the correct starting point!

Gosh !!! - We are all 'obsessed !!'

I just have to get this one sorted !

Dea x

Thanks LK, - Well found !

That unfortunately doesn't help as she is convinced her ancester is Joseph, whereas, if she is related to the Thomas born in Croft, he would be John!

Dea Xxx

found a letter from lambert to to a wigan magazine

http://www.wlct.org/culture/heritage/pf50.pdf

Thanks LK - I have not followed them through yet as we still do not know from Lambert which Thomas he should be following!

If it is the one who married Mary Ann, then Joseph and Cockhedge Lane will not be relevant.

Dea x

Did you notice the Houghtons at 78, Cockhedge Lane, in 1891.

Completely different names.

It is so easy to follow the wrong one. I did it with one of my many Smiths. It was not till the 1911 came out I could see it.It is also difficult to follow on a thread like this.