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Choccy sorry I started the other thread yesterday for a quick census look up as didn't want to confuse people on this 1 more .

Christine
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didn't realise there were two threads ! (and I posted on the other one!)

Hi Choccy,

That census is the same as the one on Christine's other thread posted by Tempest http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1255653 last night.

Hi Christine,
It would be easier if you combined the 2 threads to avoid duplication.
Thanks,
Katie

I keep being drawn to this -


British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: John Fisher
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Age at enlistment: 36
Residence: 35 Malings Rigg, Sunderland
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 21948
Regiment Name: Labour Corps Training Res Battn
Number of Images: 28


Records state his next of kin is his sister, Catherine Fisher at 35 Malings Rigg, Sunderland.
Says he is not married, but mentions two children, a boy and a girl.


In 1911 - 35 Malings Rigg -

246 THOMPSON, Thomas Head Married M 55 1856 Ship Platers Keeper Durham Sunderland VIEW
246 THOMPSON, Margret Wife Married
32 years F 52 1859 Durham Sunderland VIEW
246 THOMPSON, Margret Daughter Single F 19 1892 Durham Sunderland VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30207 Reference:
RG14PN30207 RG78PN1741 RD555 SD2 ED26 SN246

Registration District:
Sunderland Sub District:
Sunderland East Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Sunderland

Address:
35 Malings Rigg Sunderland County:
Durham

Personally, I think Catherine's birth cert would be the most beneficial............you seem sure she was his sister, so the parents' names would be the same.

And you could then make an informed search for a marriage.

Hi jax..

I have spent all day searching through all the electoral rolls in library .. John was living with them before he married and then both he and Elizabeth moved in with them for a year afterwards ..

so def think Catherine was his sitter.. That's my next search tomorrow. As off to bed now all searched out !!!

Thanks again
Christine
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I think it his sister...but thats just me

How do you know they were living with them it does'nt give witnesses address on marriage certs as far as I know

jax

Then if you got catherines birth cert which was easier to find you would deff know who the parents were (only joking of course)

jax

Hi again all..you probably sick of me now ..lol..

Just thought I would let you know been today and found out some more info....

The 2 witnesses (ellemore) were actually living with John when he was married so I do think that it was johns sister as someone did point out Catherine(ellemore) was also fisher before marriage

Going to take the plunge and get the 1911 birth cert..

Christine
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ohh jax it would just be my luck to be 2 thompsons !!! why oh why did they have to lie !!!!

also to make things more complicated think mams 2 elder sisters (who she was brought up seperatly from when her parents died ) arent johns children as cant find them as Fisher ..they were born in 1931 and 1933.
johns wife ( elizabeth ) was pregenant when they were marrried as mams brother was born just cpl months after the marriage but then there is a 9 year gap to my mother !

hopefully it will all be worth it in the end !!!

christine
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So just because the death record and marriage record steer you towards a date of birth it may not be correct for what ever reason our ancestors decided to lie about their age.

jax

The 1910 could also be Thompson its a risk you take really. I know when I was trying to find my grandfathers birth reg....told he was born 1900 so bought marriage cert 1929 said he was 29 but still could'nt match one up, but found one on the 1911 and 1901 census who had siblings with names I remembered...so ordered a cert for 1897 which turned out to be him

jax

yeah i do aswell ..

just checked on sunderlands page 3 john fishers were born between 1910 and 1912
1 dec 1910
1 dec 1911
but can find the 1912 on the bmd site .

so the dec 1910 birth goes with the marriage cert dates .. but the witness on the cert go with the 1911 date (thompson connection )

on his death in aug 1952 .. this also points to the dec 1911 birth age 40 years

christine
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I think Catherine is his sister that is her birth as it matches her death record

Of course I could be wrong, but looks very likely

jax

aggghhhhh i knew i shouldnt have started !!!!!! im so confused now ...not that it takes much .lol.

right so the birth i thought was his with mothers maiden name of thompson isnt ???

the witnesses on the marriage cert were related somewhere ..but they also have a thompson link !!

anymore suggestions please .... was going to go monday and get the birth cert but dont know what to do ..

thanks flick and jax

christine
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This may be totally irrelevant, but there is ONE marriage of John Fisher to Thompson in Sunderland.........

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
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Fisher John Thompson Sunderland 10a 1312
Thompson Sarah A Fisher Sunderland 10a 1312

Christine

Look at my first posting on this page..........and check the maths.

BUT..........that assumes he told the truth about his age when he married - he may have added a year to avoid appearing younger than his wife

The Dec 1911 birth doesn't appear to tie in with a father named JOHN, but the only way to find out is to get the cert

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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FISHER Catherine Thompson Sunderland 10a 1498


Name: Catherine Ellemore
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1987
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Stevenage
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 974

so it looks like his mothers maiden name was Thompson if thats his sister


Just to add husbands death to verify why she was in Hertfordshire

Name: John George Ellemore
Birth Date: Aug 1911
Death Registration Month/Year: 1977
Registration district: Stevenage
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 0976

wonder if these are the witnesses

Marriages Dec 1932 (>99%)
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Ellemore John G Fisher Sunderland 10a 1395
Fisher Catherine Ellemore Sunderland 10a 1395

thanks for looking Kathleen

christine

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thanks so much for you help so far ..

flick i havent got any written evidence of Thompson i just went off dates and info i was given

the marriage on 23.2.1935 states he was 24 yrs so i looked and there is 1 john fisher born sunderland in 1911 thats where i got thompson

his death notification in paper on 11.8.1952 says 40 years old his wife was still alive when he died .

i have also his army number which will be another area i need to search !

the marriage was witnessed by a c and jg ellemore ( no idea who )

christine
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