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Your welcome George..Do check back now and then over the next few days as these things can take some time..as you know..

That's okay, We all have a life of our own. Thank you for your input. Maybe I will be able to return the favour one day? Yes I thought that as well. The problem is no one seems to know the maiden name of mother and as you say Joseph and Rosina may never have been married and that Rose took the name Gold (1911 census)? for appearances. Who ever can get passed this brickwall I will come and pin a medal on their chest. Have a lovely Christmas and new year Fan and if ever I do find that elusive birth certificate I will let you know. ps if I could find one birth ref surely Ii can find all four?

Sorry George..Got called away..Will keep looking ,never fear..
I wonder if they were reg under mothers maiden name is what I wonder as there is no birth showing for them under Gold etc...

Do you think all four siblings would have been registered under the same surname?

His birth would have been registered but maybe not under the name Gold.
The authorities don't check birth dates, it depends what the informant tells them

Thankyou! Does that mean that there should be a birth registation somewhere and that his birth would have been registered?

Would it have been the informant of the death who would give the date of birth at death or are they able to obtain this themselves? Would the registration district of death be able to help me with regards to a birth certificate?

My grandparents died in 1969 but grandfathers d.o.b is wrong because he had lied about his age all his life

jax

The reason I wanted when and where he was born was to get his exact date of bith from his death ref..But you have now given it..
9th Oct is probably certain as most people get their date right,but year can be out,as was my own grandfathers.He always said he was born sept 25th 1901,but was born in 1902 really..
So now we know we are looking for a bith in the last quarter of a year..

I will be back later ,I want to do some searching again now..

Fan.

Death certs before 1969 only has an age the person was when they died, death certs after 1969 have the full birth date as given by the informant if they know it (although sometimes there are errors)

Joseph Gold passed away December 22nd 1938 aged 70, And a Rosina Harriett Gold passed away October 10th 1941, aged 63.

Their son Harry Gold (my grandfather) died on the 27th January1988 at 12 Friern Watch Avenue, N12. His death certificate states that he was born 9th Oct 1903, Hoxton, Hackney. The informants name was Derek Joseph Gold, his son, my mothers brother.

Does dieing after 1969 have any significants? Getting the Glossop and Gold mothers mixed up was funny.

I have been told by Derek that for sure his dad (Harry Gold 1903) had a Brother called John who went on to marry??? (who swore that his name was gould, goold or something similar) And that there was a Rose Gold who married a Tommy??? who could have been the illigimate child of Ethel or Rose??

With thanks

I have added those baptisms so they can be ruled out..

If your grandfather Harry died after 1969 then his exact date of birth should be on his death ref..

I don't know why we are looking at William for Harry's father. I said that I found 1911 census with name Joseph Gold as working a few minutes from Redvers Street where Rose and family were found to be living.

Florence would have been Harry (my grandfather) Gold's mother in law.

I would,just to rule him it out if nothing else...You may get lucky...

Sorry..Got me Glossops and Gold mothers mixed up there...Do you have where and when your grandad died please?Was it after 1969?

Do you have any names for his siblings for sure?

No i have not do you think i should invest?

Births Mar 1902
Gold Harry Stepney 1c 382

Have you checked out this cert with fathers name against fathers name on Harrys marriage cert?

If his father is given as Joseph and mother you say is Florence,then why are Rose for his mother on 1911 please..

My grandfather Harry Gold (a fish fryer) (26) married Lilian Louisa Glossop (printers assistant) (18) on the 5th of May 1931 at Shoreditch register office.

Their address was given as 35 Ivy Street. Fathers names were stated as Joseph Gold (a carpenter) and Richard John Glossop (a travelling trunck coverer).

The marriage was conducted in the presence of Florence Maud Glossop (my grt grandmother) and J Gold (possibly my grt grandfather.

With thanks....

Name: Harry Gold
Spouse Surname: Glossop...Lilian
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1931
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 215

This marriage is grandfather I believe...Do you have the cert for his fathers name and occupation please.

Thank you very Temptest, Mike and FannyByGaslight. I will explore the information you have supplied. regards..

Who ,when and where did your grandfather marry please?
Do you have his marriage cert for his fathers details and possible witnesses being a family member..

That is a big gap between children on the 1911,wonder if Rose is only saying she is wife of 15 yrs for respectability...

GOLD, Rose Wife Married
15 years F 32 1879 Domestic Bethnal Green
GOLD, Ethel Daughter F 13 1898 School Bethnal Green
GOLD, Sophia Daughter F 9 1902 School Shoreditch
GOLD, Harry Son M 8 1903 Shoreditch
GOLD, John Son M 1 1910 Shoreditch

Registration District:
Shoreditch

Address:
26 Redvers St Hoxton County:
London

6 children born ...2 died.

Name: Esther Sophia Gould
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903
Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1903
Father's name: William Gould...Printers Lab
Mother's name: Esther Gould
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Faith
Borough: Tower Hamlets