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Would I do that to you Maureen.;)..Cold in NY I hope,cant be just us with this lot of weather can it?

Births Dec 1902
GOLDSTEIN Sophia Hackney 1b 529

Cant see this one on 1911?

Nor this one?

Births Dec 1909
Goldstein John Shoreditch 1c 32

Is Fans throwing rocks at me again!!!

I thought Victoria might be this one,but the area is a little off:
Name: Victoria Ethel Whitford
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 74

Maureen

Always worth a try FBG, leave no stone unturned I say, lol :-))

Chris :)

Welcome Maureen,Looks goodish,but where is Ethel then?Off with dad?
You know me,pick holes in everything..

???
Name: Harriett Rosina Whitford
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 267

Marriages Mar 1899 (>99%)
GOLDSTEIN Joseph Mile End 1c 523
Whitford Rose Mile End 1c 523

1901
Name: Rose Goldstein (She's a Whit*ford on previous census)
[Rose Bradbury]
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Harry Bradbury
Mother's name: Mabel Bradbury
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Bradbury 51
Mabel Bradbury 51
Janet Bradbury 7
Mabel Bradbury 15
Rose Goldstein 24
Victoria Goldstein 3
John W Whitford 18
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 292; Folio: 157; Page: 6.

Maureen

Oooo Chris ...
Both buried in Islington Cemetary then..But not as Gold but as Goldstien as I put above..Not that Im saying its THE Joseph and Rosina we want,but something to consider...

I did look for births under Goldstien yesterday for the children,but nothing likely seemed to show,maybe I missed something?
Goldstien.?Jewish?Did the Jewish reg their children with reg office back then?Not up on religions me.

Thank you Chris :-)

Hello Fan. They were both laid to rest at Islington Cemetery. East Finchley Church Ground. Death Dec 1938 Goldstein Joseph 70 Islington 1b 269 sounds promising. I remember slightly as a kid the name Goldstein being knocked around.

Burial details of Joseph Goldstein 1938, and Rosina Harriett 1941 can be found here...



www.deceasedonline.com/

(a pay to view site)

Chris :)

Yes Flick I agree at the time of Harry's marriage in May 1931 he states that he is 26 year of age giving a birth of year of 1905 (maybe he was 28???). And who knows maybe his father was Joseph / Henry or Henry / Joseph?

I think that Joseph and Rose are connected via the close proximity to each other in the 1911 census and the exact information they gave regarding their marriage status and children born and died etc.

I think one thing is for sure a Joseph was employed as a potman / servant as per the 1911 and at the time son's harry's marriage in 1931 Joseph would have been nearing 62 year of age. Maybe he was a Carpenter in 1911 but correct me if I am wrong but was the Uk going through a ressession about that time leading up to the start of WW1 in 1914.

Any chance of you knowing "where"they died please George?

How about these areas?

Name: Rosina H Goldstein
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Alcester
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 1234



Deaths Dec 1938
Goldstein Joseph 70 Islington 1b 269

Alex i have no Idea who were the informants of Joseph Gold's death in December 1938 (aged 70) , giving him a birth of about (1868) and Rosina Harriet's death in October 1941, aged 63, giving her a birth of about (1878).

The two census's of 1911 state Rose as being aged 32, being born abt 1878 and Joseph's age as being 42, giving his birth at about 1869. These ages would correspond quite nicely with their ages at death.

I have been unable to locate any index's regarding their deaths so am unable to order their death certificates which would certainly help in the research. All I have as a way of reference is photocopies of the memoral cards given at the time of their funerals outling their name etc.

Who is the informant of the Joseph Gold's death from 1938? Do your family have any details at all about your grandfather's siblings? Any old address books etc?

And what about the Rosina Harriet's death in 1941 - you have stated this one as if you are unsure if she is the right one. Do you know who the informant was of her death? Does it state she is the widow of Joseph?

So that probably makes him Rose's "husband", but still doesn't prove that he is the man named on Harry's 1931 marriage cert'

The 1911 census for Joseph states he'd had 6 children and two had died - same as that for Rose.

In 1911 the pub is just addressed as 177 Hoxton Road, in 1901 and still today that pub is called The Bacchus.

Frederick Edwin Gedge was the owner of it in 1901 as well as in 1911.

Can you say why you think that Joseph - occ Potman - is the same as Joseph - occ Carpenter - who was said (on the marriage cert) to be Harry's father?

The image of the 1911 which may, or may not, be the correct family shows that 2 other children have died.........and that 'Husband lives away'

26 when he married in May 1931..............

???????????

Births Jun 1905 (>99%)
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Gold Harry Edmonton 3a 557


EDIT:

Eliminated that one...father is Henry

Somebody suggested I might want to look at this too. ;)

(And my grandfather also believed all his life he was born 15 Dec 1900, until he retired and had to get his birth certificate and found he was born 17 Dec 1901. My grandmother was not happy to discover she was then a few months older than him.)

I have work to finish today for noon my Canadian time (it's about 8 a.m. now) but I'll be back! Just putting this here to make my mark and get it into My Threads.

Will do. Computer closing down. Thank you!