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The only connection is that Rachel's gt grandparents both married twice, must have been a divorce in there somewhere then?? and we are looking for a Polly aswell....which I cant find

jax

I'm confusing myself, I fear. I'm too underslept to figure out the connections here, but I'm sure they're there. ;)

Your confusing me JC I just got the 1911 census of the lady Frederick Anders got together with does'nt look like they married though. This looks like her husbands death

Deaths Mar 1912 (>99%)
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BEADLE Robert G 39 Islington 1b 360

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tell a lie here it is

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
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Anders Frederick A Beadle Islington 1b 983
Beadle Leah Anders Islington 1b 983



Just looking for Polly !!!


jax

Well I'm flummoxed. Not seeing a single point of commonality, meself!

From the info on the 2005 thread

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BEADLE, Leah
Address: 36 Huntingdon Street N


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BEADLE, Robert George Head Married M 38 1873 Clerk Kingsland Lecominster Herefordshire VIEW
BEADLE, Leah Wife Married F 36 1875 Manchester Lancs VIEW
BEADLE, Hector George Harry Son M 10 1901 School Lambeth London VIEW
BEADLE, Elsie Adelaida Daughter F 8 1903 St Pancras S London VIEW
BEADLE, Sophie Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1904 St Pancras S London VIEW
BEADLE, Ida Laura Katherine Daughter F 3 1908 St Pancras S London VIEW

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Hello! I am tyring to find anyone in my Anders line who were quite numerous but seem very hard to find! My Nan is Florence Lloyd (nee Anders, b1914) and her parents were Leah Beadle (nee Harris, b1875) and Frederick Albert Anders (b1878). They lived in Islington and he at one time was a ploiceman. Her siblings were Edna Eileen Anders and Katherine Georgina Anders, step siblings were Hector Beadle, Sophia Georgina Beadle, Elsie Adelaide Beadle and Ida Laura Katherine Beadle. However its Fredericks family who are even more interesting! His father was Henry Anders (b1842) and Mary Ann Eliza Carter (b1846). They lived in Chelsea. He was a reporter/journalist though I dont know who/what with and he was a board member of the original Abbey Road (later Abbey national) building society - I have pictures of him thanks to my Mum asking about it one day when she was working at Abbey National (I dont think she had believed my Nan!) Anyway Henry had quite a number of Anders children: Elga, Helen, Henry, Herbert, Agnes, Amy, Frederick, Leonard, Charles and Beatrice dating from 1869 to about 1885


Cannot see any mention of Polly or any name it could be a nickname for which is normally for the name Mary

Then again there was nothing stopping any of the girls calling themselves Polly if they wanted to

Again great, cheers!

1871 England Census
about John E Wilson
Name: John E Wilson
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: St Anne Soho
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 213
Household Members: Name Age
John E Wilson 44
Mary A Wilson 33
Sarah A Wilson 15
Edward J Wilson 4
George A Wilson 2
Elizabeth Wilson 2 Months

Rose

That's great cheers!

1891:

1891 England Census
about Mary Ann Wilson
Name: Mary Ann Wilson
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Broodsbaiss, Kent, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Wilson 52
Edward G Wilson 24
Maggie Wilson 20
William H Wilson 18
Ada Wilson 12

Rose

JaneyCanuk - Here's the link to that 2005 post

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thread/546148

And Rose that info looks great! I'll have to check it all out, is it Willson ith 2 'll's' as on the documents I have it's spelt with one, would this be quite common? Thanks for the help! :)

Finally found them:

1881
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John WILLSON Head M Male 54 Gloucester, England Pensioner
Mary Ann WILLSON Wife M Female 40 Kent, England
Edward WILLSON Son Male 14 Middlesex, England Scholar
George WILLSON Son Male 12 Middlesex, England
Elizabeth WILLSON Daur Female 10 Middlesex, England
William WILLSON Son Male 8 Middlesex, England
Adlade WILLSON Daur Female 2 Middlesex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 7 Christ Church Residences
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341034
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0153 / 26
Page Number 45

Rose

Yeah I thought it as a long shot but I gave it a try anyway.

Yes I'm trying that no but my internet connection's not being too kind to me at the mo (mobile broadband dongle)

I'm starting to think this Polly Anders could be a red herring, or might be another name as I have to great aunties still alive that go by completely different names to their birth ones!

The Frederick and Elsie ones look to be 100% so I'm going to send off for their birth certs.

"I have found another member's post from 2005 that seems to fit ith more children so I've messaged her about that."

First, the likelihood that you'll reach that member is minimal. In 5+ years, most people change their email address a couple of times, and virtually nobody remembers to tell GenesReunited the new one. So the person won't receive a notice of your message. And the turnover is very high here, so it's unlikely that person is still actively checking the site.

If you sent a private message by clicking on the person's name, you can tell whether the message has been read by looking in your Sent Messages. If the envelope beside it is still purple, it hasn't been opened. (If you posted in the thread, no notice of that is sent anyway.)

Could you do what I suggested?

The URL for this thread is
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/wilson/thread/1252180
-- up top in the white address line.

Can you copy the URL for the thread you're talking about into this thread?

There may be useful info there. Or there may be utter bumph that some of us could quickly discount. Unless we know what you know about that too, there's nothing we can say about it. I've tried searching the TTF board for Polly Anders, but found nothing.

Thanks for that bit of info! I'll note that down!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Adelaide Mary Wilson
Name: Adelaide Mary Wilson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 16 Feb 1879
Father's name: John Edward Wilson
Mother's name: Mary Ann Wilson
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone St Barnabas
Borough: Westminster

Rose

Sorry this is my first time using the genes reunited forums, so apologies if I haven't given all the correct information.

Unfortunately I don't really know much about this side of the family, as I said my grandmother didn't have anything to do with her and she died when I was 7.

Re the Polly name - this is what my mother's cousin gave me, apparently she remembers the daughter Elsie and another Polly visiting my Grandmother and Great aunty when they were young but that's all I know.

As for Adelaide's mother I think I might have my wires crossed I think I got that from a census result, my apologies again, but he was listed as a Roadsweeper, I can't get to that information at this moment in time as my mother's away and has that.

Also I'll try that link JaneyCanuck thanks.

Great advice so far, sorry if I'm causing any problems! Not intended! Just grateful for any help on this side!

Shed any light on her parents? Adelaide's? Have you got her marriage certificate / birth certificate?

Ah, Rose has answered that question.

I don't know what's happening tonight.

If people want other people to help them find information, ***give the information you have*** !!!!!

Do not make / expect strangers to go hunting for what **you know**.



Could you give us the link to this other thread about a Polly, please, so we can see what that is too, and not just remain in the dark about what you're talking about.

You said John Wilson was her father from her birth cert. Who was her mother?

Rose

If you had that info you did'nt mention she had a son, and you may have it but we do not so it is easier to trace back by having some solid facts to go by

jax

Really quick way to find out whether there were more children to the marriage.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Search for births with surname ANDERS and mother's surname WILSON.

There are two with those names after 1911 (when mother's surname started to be included in the index). Oops. One of them, 1913, you know, and not a child of the marriage. ;) (The other is in Lancashire.)

So if they didn't have another child after 1911 and there isn't another daughter in the household in 1911 ... ?


Bu the way -- "yes, I've got this information thank you" -- the information you gave was incomplete, then, because you didn't give daughter Elsie's name and you didn't mention Frederick, so there was no reason to think you knew them, and jax went looking and "found" them for you.