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Janey. That looks a very good possibility. Where can John be in 1841??

There are several baptisms of children of an apparently unmarried Ann Rumsay at

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

First, a birth of Ann, 7 July 1802, Wareham, which I think is here.

children:

John 1817 Holy Trinity, Wareham, Dorset
Jane 1830 Steeple, Dorset
Mary 1823 Steeple, Dorset


One reason it can be hard to find someone in censuses is that their parents weren't married and the mother subsequently married, and the child then appears in censuses under the stepfather's surname.

Church Knowle and Steeple, Dorset, are about a mile apart, a couple of miles south of Wareham.

Groom's Name: John Ricks
Bride's Name: Ann Rumsey
Marriage Date: 04 May 1835
Marriage Place: Church Knowle, Dorset, England
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M15848-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1279492
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973


1841?

Name: Ann Ricks
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Where born: Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Kimmeridge

John Ricks 33
Ann Ricks 38
Jane Ricks 5
Eliza Ricks 2
George Ricks 3 MO


The children's ages match wtih an 1825 marriage, and that Ann's age matches with the 1802 baptism.


The household in 1851 in Steeple, Dorset:

John Rickes 43
Ann Rickes 48
Jane Rickes 15 born Reddesmille, Dorset
Liza Rickes 12 born Bradle Steeple, Dorset
George Rickes 10 born Bradle Steeple, Dorset
Ann Rickes 16 - visitor born Wareham, Dorset

Not in the same household, but on the same page.
1841: Relatives?
William Rumsey abt 1816 Dorset, England Tyneham, Dorset
George Rumsey abt 1836 Dorset, England Tyneham, Dorset

Tyneham is 2 miles from Steeple.

Hi Janey.

Thank you for your help also.

The bedminister marriage one, i was trying to find any connection as where John and Mary married either here in the UK or abroad, seeing as the eldest children George W and John are listed as US British Subjects.

But i guess that Bedminister marriage can be eliminated now.

re the 1838 marriage in Bedminster -- what's the John Rumsey connection?

(a) 1838 makes her a little young if she was born c1823

(b) you have to click on the page number at FreeBMD to see the other people on the page, one of whom is the spouse of that MG:

Marriages Jun 1838 )
GUINEA Mary Bedminster 11 73
HANCOCK George Bedminster 11 73
HEDGES Thomas Bedminster 11 73
HUNT Sarah Bedminster 11 73
PHILLIPS Louisa Bedminster 11 73
Price Mary Bedminster 11 73
SIDMAN James Bedminster 11 73
SIMS James Bedminster 11 73

No Rumsey, and no one apparently missing by mistranscription.

Just to explain that one before going off for some hunting -- whoever owns that tree has behaved like so many people who just don't give a fig about reality and adopt Ancestry's stupid, obnoxious hints. You say Burton on Trent. Ancestry's system saw "Trent" and offered up the "hint" for Trent, NC (Ancestry being resolutely USAmerican), and the fool of a tree owner adopted it.

No doubt that GWR did not die in the US at all, but now this genealogical pollution is floating around the great big all-inclusive unitary tree of the universe at Ancestry, and working its way outward ...

JC -- whose grx4 grandfather the parish clerk in Cornwall in the 1700s was *not* the father of anyone born in Tennessee, no matter how many trees on Ancestry say he was!

A similar one that I worked on was someone who had died in Rutland, England and someone had decided it was Rutland, Vermont, USA. I guess we shouldn't trust trees on Ancestry?

Hi Margaret.

George died in Burton on Trent area, so i think the tree owner has mistakenly put Carolina,USA.

Ann 14yrs...blimey.

A tree on Ancestry says that George Washington Rumsey was born 1843, USA, British Subject, son of John Rumsey (1816-1895) and Mary Elizabeth Guinea (1823-1900). It says he died 25 March 1866, Trent, Lenoir, North Carolina, USA.
It also says that John Rumsey was born in Dorset and was the son of Ann Rumsey (1802-)

Edit: Good grief! Ann would only have been 14!

Hi Ozibird.

Yes thats a very good possibility it could be, thanks, nO father listed, so could he have been out of wedlock???

Where did you find this???

Do you think this may be him?
John Rumsy
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Wareham, Dorset, England
parents: Ann Rumsy

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Rumsy
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 1817
baptism/christening place: HOLY TRINITY, WAREHAM, DORSET, ENGLAND
mother's name: Ann Rumsy
indexing project (batch) number: C16064-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1239252

The only Steeple Leesey I can find is Steeple Leaze Farm which is 5 miles from Wareham.

So back to square 1. Howerever, it looks as if you can discount Mary Guirney.

What makes you think Mary Guinea married in Somerset?

Ozi

Hi Dea and Jax.

Thank you for looking for me, i do appreciate it;-)

And also many thanks to all that has helped. x

Don't think it helps, but 1841:

FOLEY, John M 40 1801 Ireland
FOLEY, Margaret F 44 1797 Ireland
FOLEY, Margaret F 9 1832 Surrey
ROSSITER, George M 45 1796
ROSSITER, Hannah F 54 1787
ROSSITER, Geo M 13 1828
GUINERY, Saml M 60 1781 M Serv. Not born in county
GUINERY, Saml M 19 1822 M. serv. "
GUINERY, Mary F 18 1823 "

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1061 Book/Folio:
1/42 Page:
11

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Waterloo 2nd Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Municipal Borough:
Lambeth Address:
Manners St, St Mary, Waterloo 2nd, Lambeth County:
Surrey

Dea x

Thank you Ozibird.

Is there anyone kind enough that has FMP subscription to have a look a at the entry that Ozibird has found, please.

Thank you in advance.
Lisa

Yes it is pay per view, and I don't have a subscription either. Perhaps someone else will have a look.

I actually found the entry on beta.familysearch.org.

Ozi

Hi Ozibird.

I dont have FMP, is it pay per view??

Could be a possibility???

Have you checked this on FMP?

England and Wales Census 1841
name: Mary Guinery
age: 18
gender: Female
birthplace:
record type: Household

Hi Mike

Yes thats my Geore Washington.

Thanks.

Is this your George Washington??

Household:1881

George RAMSAY Head M Male 38 Kinson, Dorset, England Pensioner R N
Emma RAMSAY Wife M Female 36 Deal, Kent, England
George E. RAMSAY Son Male 13 Gosport, Hampshire, England Scholar
H.J.H. RAMSAY Son Male 11 Gosport, Hampshire, England Scholar
F.E.G. RAMSAY Daur Female 9 Gosport, Hampshire, England Scholar
E.W. RAMSAY Son Male 6 Gosport, Hampshire, England Scholar
E.A.A. RAMSAY Daur Female 4 Gosport, Hampshire, England
P.C.N. RAMSAY Daur Female 1 Gosport, Hampshire, England

Dwelling 8 Albert Str
Census Place Alverstoke, Hampshire, England