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Susan matthews b 1826 Kings Lynn m 1854 William Elmer KL 4b617 but unlikely to be mother of Laura b c 1867 but I always wondered if her age 19 on M cert was reduced as Thomas was only 18.Wm Elmer mJane Horn 1873 Marlebone 1a 1010

So Lydia's mother was a Lydia Snow from Norfolk, which I hadn't picked up but a Snow niece b Essex 57 was visiting Priors in 1871 census.

Quite an age difference here so wonder if more than one marriage

1881 census - household transcription
Person: ELMER, William
Address: 14, Victoria Ter, West Ham
ELMER, William Head Married M 56 1825 Labourer
Lynn Kings Norfolk
ELMER, Jane Wife Married F 38 1843
Grimstone Norfolk
ELMER, Laura A Daughter Single F 14 1867
Kings Lynn Norfolk
ELMER, Amy J Daughter Single F 1 1880
Canning Town Essex
BURRELL, Sarah Visitor Widow F 44 1837
Kings Lynn Norfolk

1871 census transcription details for: Bridge Street, St Margaret, Kings Lynn
RG number: RG10 Piece: 1865 Folio: 22 Page: 2

Reg. District: Kings Lynn Sub District: South
Parish: St Margaret Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Kings Lynn
Address: Bridge Street, St Margaret, Kings Lynn
County: Norfolk

ELMER, William Head M 44 1827 Norfolk
ELMER, Jane Wife F 29 1842 Norfolk
ELMER, Lawrie Daughter F 4 1867 Norfolk

In 1881,Sarah Burrell is with William and Jane Elmer and the girls as a visitor. I'm pretty sure she was another POLL...
Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
BURRELL George Henry King's L. 4b 574
POLL Sarah Kings L. 4b 574

1871 Ancestry
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hy Burrell 62
Robt Wm Ranson 26
Sarah Rebecca Ranson 23
John Morgan 61
Amy Morgan 50
Sarah Poll 35
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1864; Folio: 47; Page: 20

Has anyone figured out who Jane Elmer was before she and William Elmer got together?

Maureen

oh, shame -

doh
lottie is out

1891 England Census
about Lottie Curl Name: Lottie Curl
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Stanlow, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Speldhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: King Charles the Martyr
Town: Tunbridge Wells
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Tunbridge
Sub-registration district: Tunbridge Wells
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Sibley 56
Ada Sibley 38
Arthur L Sibley 4/12
Annie Tomkin 20
Lottie Curl 24

reposting FMP version of Maureen' 1851 as it is quite telling

1851 census - household transcription
Person: POLE, Stephen
Address: Parish Claim, Pentney
POLE, Stephen Head Married M 54 1797 Roadman And Labr
Bilney Norfolk
POLE, Mary Wife Married F 49 1802 Bilney Norfolk
POLE, William Son Unmarried M 25 1826 Lab Bilney Norfolk
POLE, James Grand Son M 9 1842 Scholar Illiget Gayton Union Norfolk
POLE, Elizabeth Grand Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar Illiget Pentney Norfolk
POLE, Eliza Grand Daughter F 2 1849 Scholar Illzet Gayton Union Norfolk

stephen and Mary had a daughter Amy

1841 census - household transcription
Person: POLL, Stephen
Address: Waterloo Cottage, Pentney
POLL, Stephen M 45 1796 Norfolk
POLL, Mary F 39 1802 Norfolk
POLL, Amy F 19 1822 Norfolk
POLL, Stephen M 15 1826 Norfolk
POLL, William M 12 1829 Norfolk
POLL, Caroline F 10 1831 Norfolk VIEW
POLL, Sarah F 8 1833 Norfolk

more curles from norfolk and now in East Ham

1901 census - household transcription
Person: CURLE, Charles
Address: 96, Beulah Road, Walthamstow
CURLE, Charles Head Married M 43 1858 Gardener Domestic
Pentney Norfolk
CURLE, Maria Wife Married F 43 1858
Bilney Norfolk
CURLE, Ada Daughter Single F 16 1885
Greenwich London
CURLE, Alfred Son Single M 12 1889
Greenwich London
CURLE, Julia Daughter F 10 1891
Greenwich London
CURLE, Edith Daughter F 7 1894
Greenwich London
CURLE, Jessie Daughter F 3 1898
Walthamstow Essex

I cannot see the link yet but hold for now.

good find choccy

posh houses there too

My thinking about the Laura G C Rumbelow birth I posted was that Laura was possibly illegitimate and born to mother Rumbelow, who chose to call her daughter Laura Georgina Curle Rumbelow - just a thought - but I can't find Laura Rumbelow on any census, or Laura 'anybody' !! I also haven't found a death or marriage for Laura Rumbelow.


I did wonder about this -


1881

KIDD, Walter A Head Single M 28 1853 Physician M.D.M.
Greenwich
Kent VIEW
CLEUSEBILL, Gordon S Nephew Single M 2 1879
Burma VIEW
SEALEY, Eliza I Servant Single F 46 1835 House Keeper
Ireland VIEW
>>>>>CURL, Lottie Servant Single F 15 1866 Housemaid
Norfolk VIEW
ELSWORTH, Blanche Servant Single F 22 1859 Nurse
Dorset VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
729 Folio:
12 Page:
17

Registration District:
Lewisham Sub District:
Lee Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Lewisham Municipal Borough:
Address:
12, Montpelier Row, Lewisham County:
Kent

Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
Prior Joseph B Stortford 3a 197
Snow Lydia B Stortford 3a 197

1861 census - household transcription
Person: PRIOR, Joseph
Address: 12, Webb Street, Westham, Plaistow
PRIOR, Joseph Head Married M 27 1834 Brick Maker
Hamstead
Essex
PRIOR, Lydia Wife Married F 27 1834
Elsenham
Essex
PRIOR, Edwin Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Birchanger
Essex

1871 census - household transcription
Person: PRIOR, Lydia H
Address: Charles Street, West Ham
PRIOR, Joseph Head M 37 1834 Essex
PRIOR, Edwin W Son M 15 1856 Essex
PRIOR, Lucy A Daughter F 9 1862 Essex
PRIOR, Mary Daughter F 6 1865 Essex
PRIOR, Lydia H Daughter F 2 1869 Essex
SNOW, Mary A Niece F 14 1857 Essex

Lydia's mother was not Mary Ann

lydia before her marriage

1881 census - household transcription
Person: PRIOR, Lydia H
Address: 8, Cato Place, Roman Rd, East Ham
PRIOR, Joseph Head Married M 47 1834 Labourer
Poplarad Essex
PRIOR, Mary A Wife Married F 47 1834
Woolwich Kent
PRIOR, Edwin W Son Single M 25 1856 Labourer
Birchanger Essex
PRIOR, Lydia H Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Plaistow Essex
PRIOR, Frederick J Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Plaistow Essex
PRIOR, Agnes E Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Plaistow

Also,that birth that Choccy found is looking more and more tempting,

Maureen

Mary,I think you may have been on to something in that post where you pointed out William and Jane Elmer and daughters.
Births Sep 1879
Curl Amy Jane E W. Ham 4a 75
is this the Amy Elmer on the 1881-with the E standing for Elmer??
I certainly don't see a likely marriage for William and Jane.
Long time between children,too...

I think I'll go do some Christmas cards-that's much less taxing on the brain.

Maureen

Apparently Laura claimed Lydia was a cousin.(according to her grandson, ) I think they may have become friends in London & then she married Walter who may have been a relation to Laura.That puts Laura in london before 1886 where she met Thomas Williams.. Doesn't really help.....?Mary